Oppo Camp Non-Essendon Football Thread XVI

[BomberManU]

What exactly does Voss bring to the table, as a senior coach? Keep hearing he's 'not great tactically' - I would have thought that's pretty important? And if he's not, what was he doing at Port?
Does anyone have a reason/s why he'd be successful?

 

[84859300]

Talking about McKay so I’ll put it here but interesting for its own sake really

Change the name McKay to Weiderman and it's exactly the same.

This analysis needs to be sent to his inbox, yesterday.

Horrible kick at goal - almost Joe like

 

[boncer34]

Change the name McKay to Weiderman and it's exactly the same.

This analysis needs to be sent to his inbox, yesterday.

Horrible kick at goal - almost Joe like

Yeah 2.7 last 3 weeks is very poor.

 

[cAsEy_18]

Change the name McKay to Weiderman and it's exactly the same.

This analysis needs to be sent to his inbox, yesterday.

Horrible kick at goal - almost Joe like

Surely you're not talking about Weideman being a bad kick for goal?

It's literally his main strength.

 

[Pweter]

What exactly does Voss bring to the table, as a senior coach? Keep hearing he's 'not great tactically' - I would have thought that's pretty important? And if he's not, what was he doing at Port?
Does anyone have a reason/s why he'd be successful?

He was a good line coach (midfield) at Port which I am assuming is very different to being head coach. While targeted communication to a small cohort is ok he may struggle with the combined strategy and communication of the strategy to the entire cohort (sounds familiar actually....).

He probably should get the club to invest in a goal kicking coach and a psychologist for Harry though. While he can't kick them for Harry he can find ways to help him out.

 

[Pweter]

Change the name McKay to Weiderman and it's exactly the same.

This analysis needs to be sent to his inbox, yesterday.

Horrible kick at goal - almost Joe like

Yeah 2.7 last 3 weeks is very poor.

That had not computed until now. He was alright prior to that, his Dreamtime was ok(ish) but it was bookended by 0.4.

I guess winning the last couple helps with keeping the media at bay.

 

[84859300]

Yeah 2.7 last 3 weeks is very poor.

There is a reason Melbourne played him back, kept him in the seconds and only used him as needed.

Can take a mark, sometimes.

Can kick a goal, sometimes.

Can ruck, sometimes.

He has huge potential and I want him to come good, but he has hiostory that is there to see.

 

[boncer34]

Surely you're not talking about Weideman being a bad kick for goal?

It's literally his main strength.

13.12 for the season.

 

[Mercurial89]

Yeah 2.7 last 3 weeks is very poor.

I may be misremembering but I don't think his shots have been that difficult either.

It will be a process with him.

Wright had the inconsistency issue (not kicking wise, was always good) with his marking and we all thought that if he was shown the faith and the responsibility handed to him that his confidence would build and solve those issues.

Weid has the potential for that too, he's going to get plenty of shots being in the team so he won't have a spectre hanging over him like he had at Melbourne.
He is technically a really good kick so potential is there.

McKay on the other hand looks like his confidence is shot, that is going to take an off-season to work on.

I'd be interested in why both McKay boys are going through some of their worst football at the same time though. Both have been liabilities out there.

 

[astrowizzle]

if carlton can get cerra off his dangerous tackle there is some serious inconsisteny in the tribuneral. A lot worse that merrett and we know how that ended

 

[Mercurial89]

if carlton can get cerra off his dangerous tackle there is some serious inconsisteny in the tribuneral. A lot worse that merrett and we know how that ended

Didn't pin either of his arms, though hickey hit his head that would not have been suspendable at the start of the year by the leagues own guidelines.

So again the AFL are going away from the action (which they had been pretty consistent on) and penalizing the outcome, that being head impact on the ground.

I actually hope it continues. Personally I'm really hoping for a top 25 in the brownlow who are ineligible.

 

[astrowizzle]

Didn't pin either of his arms, though hickey hit his head that would not have been suspendable at the start of the year by the leagues own guidelines.

So again the AFL are going away from the action (which they had been pretty consistent on) and penalizing the outcome, that being head impact on the ground.

I actually hope it continues. Personally I'm really hoping for a top 25 in the brownlow who are ineligible.

I thought they were actually chasing driving the head into the ground. Arms pinned or not that tackle had potential to break a neck

 

[Mercurial89]

I thought they were actually chasing driving the head into the ground. Arms pinned or not that tackle had potential to break a neck

I felt the cerra one looked worse because he fell backwards.
But we originally started with the "defenceless player" where they couldn't defend themselves when there was the whipping motion which would slam the head into the turf.

That's what it was originally where a duty of care was owed.
We have evolved to head contact on ground you are liable (think bump if hit in head your gone type stance).
Except we have totally removed the responsibility of the player with the ball to protect themselves, break your fall.
We are already seeing players go limp In tackles to draw dangerous tackles, they are falling instead of being whipped into the ground.

The end goal should be to protect against concussion, you do not do that by one sided punishments that also carry an in game reward for players.
Just as we have stuffed up the ducking for free kicks rule that we are only just now trying to put the genie back in the bottle on -and doing a poor job of - we need to start correcting how this is done or we are going to have more work to be done down the line.

 

[citizen-erased]

if carlton can get cerra off his dangerous tackle there is some serious inconsisteny in the tribuneral. A lot worse that merrett and we know how that ended

when was the last time they didn't get someone off?
their lawyers are proper creative.

 

[Zach Package]

there's a difference in being good at something and being a good teacher.
i imagine someone worked with Buddy to get his natural routine in place.

Dunstall is also 12cm shorter with short legs, so there’s naturally far less that could go wrong with his approach.

Bit like when Lloyd used to have frequent dips at Joe for his goalkicking, the ball has to go so much further when you are 6 foot seven with comically long limbs.

 

[citizen-erased]

Dunstall is also 12cm shorter with short legs, so there’s naturally far less that could go wrong with his approach.

Bit like when Lloyd used to have frequent dips at Joe for his goalkicking, the ball has to go so much further when you are 6 foot seven with comically long limbs.

i cant say i ever had anything of a routine as kicking for goal....not my forte

but if its anything like serving in tennis or a golf swing it's primarily between your ears on game day, but down to nailing a routine in training and once you've got that, stick with it.

i have no idea what McKay's approach is. he looks genuinely confused on what to do with any given shot.
Weideman at least has his routine...he's just not that accurate.

 

[faible]

i cant say i ever had anything of a routine as kicking for goal....not my forte

but if its anything like serving in tennis or a golf swing it's primarily between your ears on game day, but down to nailing a routine in training and once you've got that, stick with it.

i have no idea what McKay's approach is. he looks genuinely confused on what to do with any given shot.
Weideman at least has his routine...he's just not that accurate.

Daniher and McKay have similar issues to that end, they don’t have any particular idea on half their shots how they should kick it or what routine it should be.

Joe was always good at long-range kicks because there wasn’t any thinking to do, just get moving and let it happen.

Someone like Taylor Walker is just a genuinely good kick from pretty much anything inside 65m, simple routine and knows exactly what he’s doing every time.

 

[citizen-erased]

Daniher and McKay have similar issues to that end, they don’t have any particular idea on half their shots how they should kick it or what routine it should be.

Joe was always good at long-range kicks because there wasn’t any thinking to do, just get moving and let it happen.

Someone like Taylor Walker is just a genuinely good kick from pretty much anything inside 65m, simple routine and knows exactly what he’s doing every time.

I reckon I've watched tex over most his journey and he has not deviated from that action. It's looks a little telegraphed but my god does it work.

 

[Nicholas61]

Dunstall is also 12cm shorter with short legs, so there’s naturally far less that could go wrong with his approach.

Bit like when Lloyd used to have frequent dips at Joe for his goalkicking, the ball has to go so much further when you are 6 foot seven with comically long limbs.

Dunstalls approach toward the end of his career was quite unique too - only took a few steps but had so much power he was a chance anywhere within 60. Because his run up was so short he didn't have to worry about moving the ball much. He is such a successful guy and kicked 1200+ you would think he could help but Franklin was pretty erratic in front of goal toward the end of his time at Hawthorn. Come to think of it Nick Davis was Sydneys kicking coach for a few years and Plugger also would help.

 

[Lord Nicholson]

That had not computed until now. He was alright prior to that, his Dreamtime was ok(ish) but it was bookended by 0.4.

I guess winning the last couple helps with keeping the media at bay.

Well, being the 4th tier option rather than a Coleman Medalist doesn't hurt either.

 

[jannissary]

I reckon I've watched tex over most his journey and he has not deviated from that action. It's looks a little telegraphed but my god does it work.

some of his actions are truly despicable vis a vis racism and what not but he's someone who's consistently been a terrific player throughout his career. it's a shame that he can't be not racist

 

[citizen-erased]

some of his actions are truly despicable vis a vis racism and what not but he's someone who's consistently been a terrific player throughout his career. it's a shame that he can't be not racist

there's an art/artist rule i adhere to in these circumstances.
but then i have very little interest in meeting/conversing with anyone recognisable...so it's not hard to do

 

[fishardansin]

The best of the Carlton drama is yet to come. A Carlton mate sent me this list asking "which one would you keep?"



So, if Carlton thinks that is the case then they need to delist a ton and trade hard to get players in.

That calls for one thing ...



CRAZY VOSSY!!!

 

[Ati Tude]

The best of the Carlton drama is yet to come. A Carlton mate sent me this list asking "which one would you keep?"

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So, if Carlton thinks that is the case then they need to delist a ton and trade hard to get players in.

That calls for one thing ...



CRAZY VOSSY!!!

I can only assume they will all get at least 4 year deals, ala the great Pittonet.

 

[andleanback]

13.12 for the season.

He’s a decent kick for goal. Total score is not always a good representation of that. Just have to look at his first 2 goals last week at the g. A lot of his shots have come from tough angles that he’s missed.