Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Northernsoul74]

How much are West Coast willing to pay English again?

 

[VitalDread]

Grainger-Barras could be an option for a young kpd.

We have to trade Jamarra for him though

 

[VitalDread]

How much are West Coast willing to pay English again?

1.8 starting

 

[doggies ftw]

We have to trade Jamarra for him though

Kane Cornes classic someone should pound his Twitter with this

 

[manutd/dogs]

As long as we end up with Pick 1, I've made my peace with the idea of English departing, even as he's coming good to an AA level. This surprises me, because I think that in many ways he is the unicorn to end all unicorns: You just don't get a quality tap ruckman with his aerobic capacity, lateral movement, getting back to cover defence, shifting forward and converting, dominant marking, great hands, superb footskills, the ability to actually handball recieve and deliver inside 50 constantly and supply us with an extra mid through the centre, etc, etc. Such a thing is rarer than rocking horse poo.

And yet...

There is a fragility in Tim that has always worried/irked me. When I hear him interviewed I can't help but, well, not recoil, but cringe slightly at his quiet, soft, well-spoken voice. It sounds timid, and completely at odds with this ultra-competitive and at times brutal game we all so vicariously adore. Some reptilian corner of my RW&B, us-or-them amygdala can't help but imagine him moisturising his hands daily, reading Jane Austen in dappled shade with a chamomile tea on rolling green lawns, and sitting down to piss. The irony here is I abhor toxic masculinity, and Tim is anything but a coward and he's probably my favourite player on our team for what he can and does do. Rucking solo for 120 minutes of football, after all, is brutal on the body, week after week.

But I've always had the impression, rightly or wrongly, that he's his own cat, doesn't really hang out with his teammates all that much, and was always going to consider leaving to go back home at some point. I get this overarching sense of wishy-washy prevarication and never that solid, dependable loyalty you could set your watch to of "I love these blokes and this club and I'd die for them" kinda vibe with him. Kinda like the antithesis of Libba. Like Dunkley, a bit. Maybe not a fair comparison, but then maybe it is...

I know it takes all sorts to make up a footy team, and that it's 2023 and we're always changing and evolving, but what I think I'm trying to say that achieving that ultimate success of a flag just doesn't really burn in his guts like it did for so many champs I've seen come n' go like Johnno, Granty, Bubba, et al, and here he is about to earn over a mil a year regardless and something feels a little unfair to me about that. I want what EJ wanted from Tim: all the guts and determination you've got in your *ing body.

I know that over a million $ a year and a sunny life back home where you grew up would be close to impossible to say no to, but... yeah, if you're not committed, then off you go. And when I couple this with his lingering inconsistency in games, there is this part of me that looks at the next potential Dusty and goes... well, losing Tim would definitely hurt, but it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, all things considered. It might just push us to another one or two flags if we can get a respectable replacement in for cheap and use the cap money on a shiny new toy.

tl;dr:

English stays: Awesome
English goes: New Dusty. Cheap ruck replacement. Also awesome.

 

[Northernsoul74]

As long as we end up with Pick 1, I've made my peace with the idea of English departing, even as he's coming good to an AA level. This surprises me, because I think that in many ways he is the unicorn to end all unicorns: You just don't get a quality tap ruckman with his aerobic capacity, lateral movement, getting back to cover defence, shifting forward and converting, dominant marking, great hands, superb footskills, the ability to actually handball recieve and deliver inside 50 constantly and supply us with an extra mid through the centre, etc, etc. Such a thing is rarer than rocking horse poo.

And yet...

There is a fragility in Tim that has always worried/irked me. When I hear him interviewed I can't help but, well, not recoil, but cringe slightly at his quiet, soft, well-spoken voice. It sounds timid, and completely at odds with this ultra-competitive and at times brutal game we all so vicariously adore. Some reptillian corner of my RW&B, us-or-them amydala can't help but imagine him moisturising his hands daily, reading Jane Austen in dappled shade with a chamomile tea on rolling green lawns, and sitting down to piss. The irony here is I abhor toxic masculinity, and Tim is anything but a coward and he's probably my favourite player on our team for what he can and does do. Rucking solo for 120 minutes of football, after all, is brutal on the body, week after week.

But I've always had the impression, rightly or wrongly, that he's his own cat, doesn't really hang out with his teammates all that much, and was always going to consider leaving to go back home at some point. I get this overaching sense of wishy-washy prevacation and never that solid, dependable, loyalty you could set your watch to of "I love these blokes and this club and I'd die for them" kinda vibe with him. Kinda like the antithesis of Libba. Like Dunkley, a bit. Maybe not a fair comparison, but then maybe it is. I know it takes all sorts to make up a footy team, and that it's 2023 and we're always changing and evolving, but what I think I'm trying to say that achieving that ultimate success of a flag just doesn't really burn in his guts like it did for so many champs I've seen come n' go like Johnno, Granty, Bubba, et al, and here he is about to earn over a mil a year regardless and something feels a little unfair to me about that. I want what EJ wanted from Tim: all the guts and determination you've got in your *ing body.

I know that over a million $ a year and a sunny life back home where you grew up would be close to impossible to say no to, but... yeah, if you're not committed, then off you go. And when I couple this with his lingering inconsistancy in games, there is this part of me that looks at the next potential Dusty and goes... well, losing Tim would definitely hurt, but it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, all things considered. It might just push us to another one or two flags if we can get a respectable replacement in for cheap and use the cap money on a shiny new toy.

tl;dr:

English stays: Awesome
English goes: New Dusty. Cheap ruck replacement. Also awesome.

 

[LittleG]

As long as we end up with Pick 1, I've made my peace with the idea of English departing, even as he's coming good to an AA level. This surprises me, because I think that in many ways he is the unicorn to end all unicorns: You just don't get a quality tap ruckman with his aerobic capacity, lateral movement, getting back to cover defence, shifting forward and converting, dominant marking, great hands, superb footskills, the ability to actually handball recieve and deliver inside 50 constantly and supply us with an extra mid through the centre, etc, etc. Such a thing is rarer than rocking horse poo.

And yet...

There is a fragility in Tim that has always worried/irked me. When I hear him interviewed I can't help but, well, not recoil, but cringe slightly at his quiet, soft, well-spoken voice. It sounds timid, and completely at odds with this ultra-competitive and at times brutal game we all so vicariously adore. Some reptillian corner of my RW&B, us-or-them amydala can't help but imagine him moisturising his hands daily, reading Jane Austen in dappled shade with a chamomile tea on rolling green lawns, and sitting down to piss. The irony here is I abhor toxic masculinity, and Tim is anything but a coward and he's probably my favourite player on our team for what he can and does do. Rucking solo for 120 minutes of football, after all, is brutal on the body, week after week.

But I've always had the impression, rightly or wrongly, that he's his own cat, doesn't really hang out with his teammates all that much, and was always going to consider leaving to go back home at some point. I get this overaching sense of wishy-washy prevacation and never that solid, dependable, loyalty you could set your watch to of "I love these blokes and this club and I'd die for them" kinda vibe with him. Kinda like the antithesis of Libba. Like Dunkley, a bit. Maybe not a fair comparison, but then maybe it is. I know it takes all sorts to make up a footy team, and that it's 2023 and we're always changing and evolving, but what I think I'm trying to say that achieving that ultimate success of a flag just doesn't really burn in his guts like it did for so many champs I've seen come n' go like Johnno, Granty, Bubba, et al, and here he is about to earn over a mil a year regardless and something feels a little unfair to me about that. I want what EJ wanted from Tim: all the guts and determination you've got in your *ing body.

I know that over a million $ a year and a sunny life back home where you grew up would be close to impossible to say no to, but... yeah, if you're not committed, then off you go. And when I couple this with his lingering inconsistancy in games, there is this part of me that looks at the next potential Dusty and goes... well, losing Tim would definitely hurt, but it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, all things considered. It might just push us to another one or two flags if we can get a respectable replacement in for cheap and use the cap money on a shiny new toy.

tl;dr:

English stays: Awesome
English goes: New Dusty. Cheap ruck replacement. Also awesome.

I have some issues with this. I have Lots of issues….


I agree with ALL of it.

 

[weltschmerz]

There’s no way Oscar Allen sticks around and puts up with getting flogged for the next 4 years

He’s a lifelong Eagles nuff and their star forward. He’s going to be the one to captain them when they start to lift off the ocean floor and he’ll be proud to do it.

 

[Mofra]

He’s a lifelong Eagles nuff and their star forward. He’s going to be the one to captain them when they start to lift off the ocean floor and he’ll be proud to do it.

Lachie Hunter was a lifelong Bulldog FS premiership player. Ditto Zaine.
Players will move if their current situation sours, and getting flogged every week would have anyone looking around.

 

[immortalmike]

Lachie Hunter was a lifelong Bulldog FS premiership player. Ditto Zaine.
Players will move if their current situation sours, and getting flogged every week would have anyone looking around.

Hunter was an Essendon supporter who we pushed out. He didn't want to leave.

Cordy is a journeyman who was offered a better deal.

Hardly similar to a star player who was a supporter in their home state who will be paid handsomely.

 

[Mofra]

Hunter was an Essendon supporter who we pushed out. He didn't want to leave.

Cordy is a journeyman who was offered a better deal.

Hardly similar to a star player who was a supporter in their home state who will be paid handsomely.

I think Smiley Boy's record is good enough to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Joe Daniher a better example for you?

 

[Here we go dogs]

Melbourne must be another team with no salary cap. They have like 5 players on massive long term deals. How they could go and afford Allen is beyond me.

Their cap should be tighter than Geelongs. All of Brayshaw, Pickett, Oliver, Petraca, Lever and May would be on big coin. Probably Gawn as well.

 

[GetDimmaBack]

Melbourne must be another team with no salary cap. They have like 5 players on massive long term deals. How they could go and afford Allen is beyond me.

Their cap should be tighter than Geelongs. All of Brayshaw, Pickett, Oliver, Petraca, Lever and May would be on big coin. Probably Gawn as well.

Swapping Grundy for Allen?

 

[Here we go dogs]

Swapping Grundy for Allen?

Allen would want at least a mil pa.

I heard Melbourne is only paying 600 of Grundys salary. So there would be a shortfall.

 

[immortalmike]

I think Smiley Boy's record is good enough to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Joe Daniher a better example for you?

Not questioning Smiley Boy.
Think your examples were shit.

Daniher also a terrible example.

Allen would be an extraordinary outlier. Can we just admit that?

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

I think there is getting beaten when you are a young developing team, but West Coast losses are off the radar, that would be dispiriting for even the staunchest fan.

 

[adogsfan5]

I think there is getting beaten when you are a young developing team, but West Coast losses are off the radar, that would be dispiriting for even the staunchest fan.

Watch us struggle against them at marvel. We never smash anyone.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Watch us struggle against them at marvel. We never smash anyone.

North Melbourne like this

 

[Munnez]

Jones to come back in. I'd argue we need a 3rd/intercepting defender but hopefully Buss plays that role next year. Perhaps Tomlinson, or even JOD.
I think we need a BP to cover Duryea but Gallagher is showing some serious signs, and Cleary is there too.

There's a chance we end up with a wing at the draft too. Wilson is probably in the frame for our first round pick who would play sooner rather than later.

Think Wilson would be a very handy pick up. Start out on the wing and develop into an inside mid similar to McCluggage

 

[NthBondiDoggies]

What we do we think about Tom Clurey

17

Tom Clurey

Age

30

Ht

193cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.7

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

3.1

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

156.0

2star

D

10.9

3star

K

8.9

4star

HB

2.0

1star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.3

2star

MG

156.0

3star

D

7.8

2star

K

6.0

3star

HB

1.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

- hard and experienced. Seems available.

Am always reluctant to take a player who can’t make their own team but a lot like Sam Collins - and we wished we had him?

 

[Mojorisin]

Think Wilson would be a very handy pick up. Start out on the wing and develop into an inside mid similar to McCluggage

I was really into him for the most of the year but I'm starting to cool on him, he is giving me Lochie O'brien vibes

 

[ScragCity]

Neither Port nor the Pies have anything special in the ruck department. I'd kinda prefer to lose English. I just don't think highly-paid rucks are worth it.

 

[LittleG]

Neither Port nor the Pies have anything special in the ruck department. I'd kinda prefer to lose English. I just don't think highly-paid rucks are worth it.

IF WC come calling with a monster contract for Tim and have pick 1 on the table for him straight up…..

I would take the deal and would happily play Sweet IF we didn’t get Grundy. I think Sweet is ready and we can draft a great mid with that first pick.

IF pick 1 isn’t there but pick 4 and a later first rounder is, I would also consider that deal.

 

[BrisDog]

Yeah I mean to an extent, when you’re on a mil a year anyway is an extra couple of hundred odd grand after tax worth losing by 100 points every week… not like he couldn’t set himself up to never work a day in his life from our contract too.

Might be unfair but from the outside he does strike me as someone who wouldn’t really care about success as much as some others. IF he does leave after what we’ve done for his career, well I’d take great pleasure in watching him lose every week and if we could pinch a flag that would be just lovely

Dude, he solemnly drives back to his apartment at Cottlsloe, heads to his warm bath filled with multiple 25 year old blondes and champagne- cry me a river

 

[Mojorisin]

IF WC come calling with a monster contract for Tim and have pick 1 on the table for him straight up…..

I would take the deal and would happily play Sweet IF we didn’t get Grundy. I think Sweet is ready and we can draft a great mid with that first pick.

IF pick 1 isn’t there but pick 4 and a later first rounder is, I would also consider that deal.

Looks likely they will offer Sydney's first.