Stat Observations

[Engimal v3]

Thought I'd make a thread for North-related stat observations. I like having a look at this kind of stuff and I know others do too, so feel free to post anything related.

Here's 2022's top hitout collectors, by % of their hitouts that go to either a teammate or the opposition (with type of possession). Goldstein and Xerri are highlighted.



It's interesting to note that even the top rucks only manage to cleanly get it into their teammates hands a third of the time.

 

[Dan]

Xerri is by far the worst surname I've ever come across in all my time following the AFL.

It looks like a shit hand that one would get whilst playing scrabble.

X-E-R-R-I : How am I suppose to spell anything with this combination?

 

[Gasometer]

Thought I'd make a thread for North-related stat observations. I like having a look at this kind of stuff and I know others do too, so feel free to post anything related.

Here's 2022's top hitout collectors, by % of their hitouts that go to either a teammate or the opposition (with type of possession). Goldstein and Xerri are highlighted.

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It's interesting to note that even the top rucks only manage to cleanly get it into their teammates hands a third of the time.

Engimal v3

I want to know who has laid the most tackles and least tackles this season

I then want to know who has laid the most tackles and least tackles this season from Melbourne

 

[Eggs11]

Thought I'd make a thread for North-related stat observations. I like having a look at this kind of stuff and I know others do too, so feel free to post anything related.

Here's 2022's top hitout collectors, by % of their hitouts that go to either a teammate or the opposition (with type of possession). Goldstein and Xerri are highlighted.

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It's interesting to note that even the top rucks only manage to cleanly get it into their teammates hands a third of the time.

Not sure if I’m reading this correctly, but looking at ground ball gets, is this saying that most ruckmen give ground balls back to the oppo twice as often as they give it to their own teammates? I can’t believe that would be true across the whole league.

Edit: ok, I’ve figured it out - it’s more the way each team collects disposal. It does call into question the ruck art, and especially the decision to play two rucks, when only 40-50% of ruck taps end up with the opposition.

 

[Engimal v3]

Not sure if I’m reading this correctly, but looking at ground ball gets, is this saying that most ruckmen give ground balls back to the oppo twice as often as they give it to their own teammates? I can’t believe that would be true across the whole league.

Edit: ok, I’ve figured it out - it’s more the way each team collects disposal. It does call into question the ruck art, and especially the decision to play two rucks, when only 40-50% of ruck taps end up with the opposition.

Yep, you got it in the edit. So when Goldstein gets a hitout:

• 37% of the time it will be end up as a ground ball get for the opposition
• 33% of the time it will end up as a "regular" possession for North
• 19% of the time it will end up as a ground ball get for North
• 6% of the time it will end up as a free for North
• 3% of the time it will end up as a "regular" possession for the opposition
• 1% of the time it will end up as a free for the opposition

It does highlight why many successful teams have forgone a specialist ruck in favour of tall players who can just ruck a bit, as ~40% of the time it's going to go to the opposition anyway.

 

[ferball]

Yep, you got it in the edit. So when Goldstein gets a hitout:

• 37% of the time it will be end up as a ground ball get for the opposition
• 33% of the time it will end up as a "regular" possession for North
• 19% of the time it will end up as a ground ball get for North
• 6% of the time it will end up as a free for North
• 3% of the time it will end up as a "regular" possession for the opposition
• 1% of the time it will end up as a free for the opposition

It does highlight why many successful teams have forgone a specialist ruck in favour of tall players who can just ruck a bit, as ~40% of the time it's going to go to the opposition anyway.

Its interesting because 60% tap outs go to one of our players. Its a big advantage really, if we could take advantage of it. Which is the point at hand I spose.

So much scoring comes from turnovers in the oppositions front half too.

Its interesting food for thought. Cheers.

 

[LB2Snake]

Yep, you got it in the edit. So when Goldstein gets a hitout:

• 37% of the time it will be end up as a ground ball get for the opposition
• 33% of the time it will end up as a "regular" possession for North
• 19% of the time it will end up as a ground ball get for North
• 6% of the time it will end up as a free for North
• 3% of the time it will end up as a "regular" possession for the opposition
• 1% of the time it will end up as a free for the opposition

It does highlight why many successful teams have forgone a specialist ruck in favour of tall players who can just ruck a bit, as ~40% of the time it's going to go to the opposition anyway.

Makes me think of this

 

[Woolly Mammoth]

Xerri is by far the worst surname I've ever come across in all my time following the AFL.

It looks like a s**t hand that one would get whilst playing scrabble.

X-E-R-R-I : How am I suppose to spell anything with this combination?

I dont mind the name so much as I am disappointed people have missed the opportunity to nickname him 'T-rex'

 

[Engimal v3]

AFL teams by "Control Retention %". "Control Retention" looks at what % of disposals end up in the hands of a teammate (rather than the opposition).

North currently sit 2nd last overall, with only 68% of our Kicks, Handballs and Hitouts going to a teammate.

By disposal type:

• KICK: 61% (18th)
• HANDBALL: 87% (11th)
• HITOUT: 59% (3rd)

 

[Passmore]

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AFL teams by "Control Retention %". "Control Retention" looks at what % of disposals end up in the hands of a teammate (rather than the opposition).

North currently sit 2nd last overall, with only 68% of our Kicks, Handballs and Hitouts going to a teammate.

By disposal type:

• KICK: 61% (18th)
• HANDBALL: 87% (11th)
• HITOUT: 59% (3rd)

Surprised it’s actually that high % to be honest.

 

[Harris 10]

Can somebody tell me scores from turnover from the weekends game and our first game against the Cats this year?
I reckon it would be close to a combined total of 30 goals.

 

[Engimal v3]

Can somebody tell me scores from turnover from the weekends game and our first game against the Cats this year?
I reckon it would be close to a combined total of 30 goals.

Ok, it's 11pm so I haven't validated any of these numbers, but from what I can see:

Round 6: Geelong scored from North's turnovers 10 times
Round 16: Geelong scored from North's turnovers 14 times

When I say they "scored", I mean a North turnover lead to a possession chain that ended in a score.

 

[Engimal v3]

Opposition scoring from turnover by club (2022)

• 2.3% of North's disposals result in a turnover resulting in an opposition scoring possession chain
  • Equal worst in the league with West Coast
• For every 1,000 North Melbourne disposals, the opposition will score ~84 points on turned over disposals
  • 2nd worst in the league, behind West Coast

 

[CharlieMortdecai]

Xerri is by far the worst surname I've ever come across in all my time following the AFL.

It looks like a s**t hand that one would get whilst playing scrabble.

X-E-R-R-I : How am I suppose to spell anything with this combination?

Well the idea of scrabble is to score points and from that perspective it's pretty good. You've got an X plus an E and an I, so you can play EX or XI. With the right opening you could get your X on a triple letter scoring two ways and get at least 50 points.
Also, you get 7 letters so if your others are P and E, you can make EXPIRER for a bingo.

 

[Engimal v3]

The above, but per player (2022) - minimum 50 disposals

• 3 of the top 5 players by Points Scored from Turnovers are North Melbourne Players
  • Lazarro (393pts/1,000disp), Zurhaar (282pts/1,000disp), and Hayden (230pts/1,000disp)

 

[Engimal v3]

However if you look to total opposition score from turnovers (rather than per 1,000 disposals), another North name takes top spot

• Jy Simpkin has had 74 points scored in 2022 from his turnovers
• Cam Zurhaar has had 40 points scored in 2022 from his turnovers

 

[ferball]

Zurhaar is our best scoring option at the moment.

Does your stat thing thing he's worth it Enigmal?

(Also with Jy... he gets involved in alot of scoring chains. I wonder if they outweight his turnovers or not?)

 

[Engimal v3]

Zurhaar is our best scoring option at the moment.

Does your stat thing thing he's worth it Enigmal?

(Also with Jy... he gets involved in alot of scoring chains. I wonder if they outweight his turnovers or not?)

For sure Zurhaar is worth it. If you factor in each player's individual scoring, he ranks near the bottom.

 

[TheBigHorne]

Thought I'd make a thread for North-related stat observations. I like having a look at this kind of stuff and I know others do too, so feel free to post anything related.

Here's 2022's top hitout collectors, by % of their hitouts that go to either a teammate or the opposition (with type of possession). Goldstein and Xerri are highlighted.

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It's interesting to note that even the top rucks only manage to cleanly get it into their teammates hands a third of the time.

Wow Xerri is so shit. He's such a bad ruckman. Honestly delist, not even the best in the league smh.

 

[ferball]

Wow Xerri is so s**t. He's such a bad ruckman. Honestly delist, not even the best in the league smh.

Early this year there was a ruck contest, Xerri to JHF to Jy then a beautiful kick into the forward line that Goldy should have led under creating space for Larkey to run into. Unfortunately Goldy stopped when the ball was over his head jumped to try and touch it and screwed the whole momentum of the play.

I remember thinking how good that looked wtte of "That's the future".

 

[Engimal v3]

Percentage of Scoring Possession Chains involved with (North Melbourne, 2023). Larkey, Sheezel and Goldy were expected, but was surprised at B Scott who was involved with 22% of all our scoring possession chains in 2023.

 

[Engimal v3]

FYI - here's the 2023 leaders at a club level. Larkey at 38% sat behind only Curnow (Carlton), Allen (WCE), and Langford (Essendon).

 

[RobZombie]

Yo, you got a GitHub repo for all this? Wouldn’t mind having a crack.

 

[Samsquanch]

Yo, you got a GitHub repo for all this? Wouldn’t mind having a crack.

I think Engimal v3 works exclusively on the dark web.

 

[Engimal v3]

Yo, you got a GitHub repo for all this? Wouldn’t mind having a crack.

Unfortunately it's one of those things where revealing the trick would get it shut down