List Mgmt. 2024 Draft - Post Trade Period Edition

Pick 1

  • Finn O'Sullivan

  • Sam Lalor

  • Jagga Smith


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Yeah we have seen it over and over again with guys like Corey Ellis and Josh Schace never managed to get that campaigner needed to become serious afl players

Some players do turn it on like we saw with Hugo over the past few years but could argue his issue wasn’t so much aggression but more a reluctance to put his body on the line

Than you have the campaigners like Mansell who absolutely love the physical stuff
Schacke is a great example - it just looks like he's been told to be aggressive and he doesn't know how because it isn't in his psyche. He just looks like a clumsy goose when he tries
 
Not sure about that - aggression is very instinctual and you see it from a young age - it cannot be taught. It does evolve but I find that the players that aren't aggressive in juniors dont suddenly become aggressive players in seniors
As a junior, when you are 194cm you don't need aggression because you are already running through people. Many midfiielders he would come up against are in the 72-77kg, 180cm range.

Smille reminds me a bit of Grigg in how he plays. I never liked Grigg as a wingman, but in the midfield he was good. He was big enough to take the ball and the tackle and distribute, was constantly moving, was agile enough to get get himself free and wracked up possessions. Add 4cm and about 8kg's when he is 21 years old and a far better kick and you will have a player, overly aggressive or not.
 
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I reckon the outliers are the most interesting part of this table EG Sid Draper at 10 in the Age and Langford at 11 for espn. Its like they know something different to the others ie inside word.

If they didn't know anything they'd just take a conservative approach and copy the others.

Also no love for Smillie
 
Schacke is a great example - it just looks like he's been told to be aggressive and he doesn't know how because it isn't in his psyche. He just looks like a clumsy goose when he tries
Ellis was as slow as a wet week with a huge turning circle for a mid. Shacke was just a straight ahead lead and mark player that did not have the speed of say McKay, a similar type, so could never get separation. Jagga Smith is going very high up and he is not aggressive, FOS same. Bont is not aggressive, and Cripps only really became that bull when he realised how much stronger he really was than every one else.
 
I really hope we take him with one of our 20’s picks. He was running the day after his most recent concussion FFS. Could be the best KPP from this draft and an amazing steal for the club who takes him. And he’s not just a KPD, he played plenty of juniors up forward.

Without his concussion he’d have been a top-10 lock and edging top-5. So unless there’s significant medical evidence he’s a big long-term risk if roll the dice on him as upside is massive.


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Started in top 5 conversations now not top 20 due to concussions. concussion is a career ending reality.
Its RFC style to have 200cm KPF/rucks on the list. I think we take Whitlock or Gerryn.

195 Armstrong at 10.

Maybe we see Trainor as a KPD. .

Need Bolton & D Rioli replacement later in the draft
 
Ellis was as slow as a wet week with a huge turning circle for a mid. Shacke was just a straight ahead lead and mark player that did not have the speed of say McKay, a similar type, so could never get separation. Jagga Smith is going very high up and he is not aggressive, FOS same. Bont is not aggressive, and Cripps only really became that bull when he realised how much stronger he really was than every one else.
I've heard Jagga is aggressive - not in a violent/seeking to hurt way but just has a high intensity in the contest and win the ball at all costs
 
Yeah we have seen it over and over again with guys like Corey Ellis and Josh Schace never managed to get that campaigner needed to become serious afl players

Some players do turn it on like we saw with Hugo over the past few years but could argue his issue wasn’t so much aggression but more a reluctance to put his body on the line

Than you have the campaigners like Mansell who absolutely love the physical stuff
Agree that the physicality is difficult to learn.
In reference to Smillie, he doesn’t always look ‘aggressive’ but his tackling is strong, loves a fend off, he doesn’t shirk a contest. Not an issue.
 

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Posted this on the MB, thought I'd post it here too.

I think that the perception that the Tigers will take 3-4 talls is misreading our list.

We currently have 17 players on the list who can be classed as KPP's, I'm including Vlastuin and Broad here. If we take 3 talls in the draft then we'll have 20, now that would be nigh on 50% of the list. Yes, we need a KPF, but it has to be one that a Premiership winning forward line can be built around, I'm just not seeing that with this crop. We're fully stocked with 2nd and 3rd tall forwards, some too early to tell whether they'll cut the mustard, Fawcett and Gray, others showing a bit of promise, LeFau and Bauer, then there's Ryan and Koshitzke.

With the changes to how lists are built coming in over the next 3 years, ie: 10% banking of salary cap, 2 years of future trading and then pick purchasing, we'll have the cash and draft capital to buy any player in the league, including the contracted ones.

We're lacking in a quality 2nd ruck but can get by taking a ruck/forward and developing him for a couple of years, also supplementing that line through mature age picks.

Don't be surprised if we just take the one tall, J Whitlock, Gerreyn or Sims
 
Schacke is a great example - it just looks like he's been told to be aggressive and he doesn't know how because it isn't in his psyche. He just looks like a clumsy goose when he tries

That's it, people don't realise actions like backing into a pack under a high ball doesn't just require courage, you have to know how to do it without getting killed. Everything has its own technique.

Having said that, you get Lynch to run campaigner drills where he shows players with rfi in that area how to drive an opponent's head into the centre of the earth safely so the situation doesn't escalate into anything more than media melts.
 
Let's trade for 2
Then give Carlton 1 & 2 for pick 3.
What I was trying to say before tapatalk had a seizure on my behalf

Trade for pick 2

FOS at 1
Bid on Ashcroft at 2
Lalor at 3 :hearteyes:

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That's coming out more and more.

Feels like we are still trying to judge if its possible we get both if we take the other one at pick 1.
Try and determine the interest in both of them and see which combination is more likely to achieve desired outcome.

Take Lalor at 1 and likely have to trade with Roos to get 2 to get FOS
Take FOS at 1 and potentially trade back with Crows at pick 4 instead if Roos and Blues overlook Lalor.

So many options at play would be my guess.

That said we might not even like any of them :tearsofjoy:

Its all smoke and shadows behind the windows at this stage
 
We still haven’t decided if it’s Lalor or FOS at pick one.
Probably won't have a final decision until Thursday morning
 
Posted this on the MB, thought I'd post it here too.

I think that the perception that the Tigers will take 3-4 talls is misreading our list.

We currently have 17 players on the list who can be classed as KPP's, I'm including Vlastuin and Broad here. If we take 3 talls in the draft then we'll have 20, now that would be nigh on 50% of the list. Yes, we need a KPF, but it has to be one that a Premiership winning forward line can be built around, I'm just not seeing that with this crop. We're fully stocked with 2nd and 3rd tall forwards, some too early to tell whether they'll cut the mustard, Fawcett and Gray, others showing a bit of promise, LeFau and Bauer, then there's Ryan and Koshitzke.

With the changes to how lists are built coming in over the next 3 years, ie: 10% banking of salary cap, 2 years of future trading and then pick purchasing, we'll have the cash and draft capital to buy any player in the league, including the contracted ones.

We're lacking in a quality 2nd ruck but can get by taking a ruck/forward and developing him for a couple of years, also supplementing that line through mature age picks.

Don't be surprised if we just take the one tall, J Whitlock, Gerreyn or Sims

You'd be right if all our current KPP's had ability or were of the same age... but they're not. Our talls are filth if we're planning for our next flag. Other than Balta and Tigger (who, in all likelihood wont be there to see any fruits of our next success)... you'd see a better group of talls in the ammos.
 
I've heard Jagga is aggressive - not in a violent/seeking to hurt way but just has a high intensity in the contest and win the ball at all costs
Yes he goes in and gets it, but that's what mids do. How that translates against the pro's we will find out soon enough. But Smillie has the advantage of being as big as most now and bigger in a year or two, which should help him.
 
He's an excellent athlete, average footballer. I can see the appeal but it's banking on him improving in a lot of footy specific areas that others in the draft around that mark are already well advanced on.
Natural footballers please Blair
 
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