Coach Sack Horse

Sack Longmire tomorrow?

  • yes

    Votes: 75 65.8%

  • monday

    Votes: 39 34.2%
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caesar88 said:
Can't everyone just have their own idea of when enough is enough though?

If you continue to clamber onto Horse's achievements as a coach then he will still be coach at 90 with his zimmer frame. At some point the focus has to turn to what he's NOT achieving.

For many that was as early as after 2015/16, when many believed he'd wasted a great Swans team and failed to get the most out of a generational player in Buddy.

For others it was during the rebuild of 2019/20, when many believed a fresh set of eyes were needed to take this next era of Swans players into the future.

And for some, like myself and Jewelsbon (not wanting to speak for her - just going on her comments on the subject), I think this year was the straw that broke the camel's back, whether it was because it was one grand final humiliation too many, or one wasted 'dominant' season too many, or just a general gut feel that Horse is out of ideas and time for somebody new.

And as, I think it was Winston Churchill, once said, if you lose Jewelsbon, you've lost the war.
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I think he wasted Hewett then decided he didn't like him any more. Then Hewett goes to Blues, plays as a proper mid, not just a tagger & is 3rd in the B&F.

He wasted so many players. Made really bad decisions by taking injured players into GF, 3 players definitely unfit in 2016. Even as far back as 2014 that was happening.

In 2014 he said, quote;

I had no answers


What the **** were you doing in the bloody box all effing day?

Each time we have been on the end of a GF shellacking;

HE HAD NO ANSWERS

I would hate us to get to the GF in 2025 & HIM HAVING NO ANSWERS

He has developed a different game plan but essentially the forward set ups are the same & we rely far too much on players bunching together for a pack marking situation. Either that or we just bomb & turn it over. We do not open up the forward line by playing wide or spreading all forwards wide with one central target. That seems a bit hard for some reason.

Let the defenders take the corridor when they zone. Push the ball wide & make them defend, therefore creating space. But that would be too hard. The space you create allows players room in the central part of the forward line.

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rustycrate said:
Admitting a mistake in public when you are a team pressing for a premiership to me shows weakness.
You can premtively say that is saying he is blaming his players but that is only your opinion.
To say we, and who is we? Is this the supporters? Is this the players? Is this the entire world? Or is this the mathematician in you that adds one plus one and gets twentyfour.

You conclude we lose again. I understand your frustrations. I have them too. I just don't understand your propensity to get negative and think that everything you think is obvious, like we should have done it, and in the same breath that would have lead us to victory. If you were that good at coaching or foreseeing the future you would be doing it.

As a supporter I like being optimistic. I give the club leeway. I as a person have failed in life many times and hopefully learned from my mistakes. I don't think I am alone in admitting that.

Horse's legacy at the club is huge. He has presided over a period that has made most Swans supporters very proud of the Swans and Horse's achievements.

Anyone can sling mud from behind the fence at those that are in the public eye and under the microscope and the blowtorch with their every success or failure.

Who are you?
Are you a mud slinger wanting retribution or answers from your current coach for his failures to win GFs?
or
Do you understand life and know that sometimes doing your best, doing every thing you can is the best chance for success even if it leads to failure. To try and fail. To try and fail again. To keep trying.

The club will make it's decision on whether Horse will continue. I think bagging Horse for not achieving your goals is selfish.

There are 18 clubs vying for 1 flag. 18 to 1. It is exteremely difficult.

My opposition to your Sack Horse thread is not the sack Horse bit, but the lack of respect for Horse who has presided over a period of success for the Swans that has made me and a lot of other Swans supporters proud. Yes he has lost grand finals, but he got us there. And yes he lost them by embarrassing margins which is a massive cause for alarm.

But it does not justify out and out disrespect of Horse.
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It’s not a country footy league, he doesn’t get paid $1m a season to try and fail over and over again

He’s a repeated failure (as your post acknowledges) and should be shown the door
 
JackHiscoxWasFast said:
Keep him only for home and away and if we make top 8, then bring in Mr September to coach the finals. Who is Mr September ? dunno, not into those types of calendars.
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We just need a Mr Grand Final, Horse does okay in other finals games.

I suggest Ken Hinkley, for all we know he's a 100% grand final calibre coach. He's just never had the opportunity to prove himself.
 

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Adnico26Parker said:
Do we know why he wasn't there last night? And Cox all over socials with the Dattoli family?
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I believe Horse was in London recently at some kind of sports professionals conference. He might not've been Available.

Edit: I have absolutely no idea why I capitalised 'available'.
 

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rustycrate said:
You must be a winner in your life in everything.
Hard to keep up with your successful life.
Must be hard looking down on all of us and expecting better of us.
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Fascinating. First you attack posters accusing them of not being true supporters because they have different views to you and now your new tactic is to accuse people of putting themselves on a pedestal and that they must be hyper successful people in their own lives.

It truly is bizarre and odd behavior
 
Superstar swan said:
Fascinating. First you attack posters accusing them of not being true supporters because they have different views to you and now your new tactic is to accuse people of putting themselves on a pedestal and that they must be hyper successful people in their own lives.

It truly is bizarre and odd behavior
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Yes rustycrate should leave this thread and post in the Keep Horse thread, his posts are irrational and unbalanced
 
Having had time to reflect I think that I now understand our approach to grand finals, as it keeps the lads hungry for success. Whereas they might be starting to get a bit complacent if they'd just won 2 out of the last 3 flags.
 
rustycrate said:
You must be a winner in your life in everything.
Hard to keep up with your successful life.
Must be hard looking down on all of us and expecting better of us.
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ScrewInStuds said:
Having had time to reflect I think that I now understand our approach to grand finals, as it keeps the lads hungry for success. Whereas they might be starting to get a bit complacent if they'd just won 2 out of the last 3 flags.
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Brilliant
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Footy clubs exist to win premierships.
Everything done is to achieve that aim, from appointing the CEO down to the proverbial boot studder.
if the boot studder can't stud boots the club will get one who can. If a player can't kick or tackle the club will delist him for one who can.
We have a coach who has shown he cannot win premierships. He has coached three of the top ten biggest thrashings in grand final history. Two of our three worst games in the last three years have been grand finals. Yes, 2012, but that looks more and more like a residual Paul Roos premiership.
He cannot win us a flag so why keep him?
If the Club had decided to sack him it would have done so by now. Putting it off until the new year is madness.

Possibilities:
1. We have chosen to honour his contract which expires at the end of 2025. I have no difficulty with this, except to note that premiership windows are open for only a short time; or
2. We cannot afford it. Horse as I understand it is on 1m$ plus. That is a huge chunk of our soft cap, and given his years of service, all or most of that would be payable; or
3. The Club thinks he is a great coach. I thought he was, but not so much any more. I think the academy (Mills, Heeney, Blakey, Gulden) has been very good to him; or
4. It is only one more year. He has been a good coach. I kinda can't disagree with this, but I also do, again noting premiership windows.

If 1, 2, 4 or a combination thereof we will be looking for a new coach next year. If 3 and we renew him next year my dummy will be well and truly spat.
Succession plan or not, the Club should invite submissions and interview all candidates. Start the process now. Ambitious assistants will jump at the chance to coach our list. And Horse? If we are not renewing his contract it is only fair to tell him as soon as that decision is made.
 
Crust said:
Footy clubs exist to win premierships.
Everything done is to achieve that aim, from appointing the CEO down to the proverbial boot studder.
if the boot studder can't stud boots the club will get one who can. If a player can't kick or tackle the club will delist him for one who can.
We have a coach who has shown he cannot win premierships. He has coached three of the top ten biggest thrashings in grand final history. Two of our three worst games in the last three years have been grand finals. Yes, 2012, but that looks more and more like a residual Paul Roos premiership.
He cannot win us a flag so why keep him?
If the Club had decided to sack him it would have done so by now. Putting it off until the new year is madness.

Possibilities:
1. We have chosen to honour his contract which expires at the end of 2025. I have no difficulty with this, except to note that premiership windows are open for only a short time; or
2. We cannot afford it. Horse as I understand it is on 1m$ plus. That is a huge chunk of our soft cap, and given his years of service, all or most of that would be payable; or
3. The Club thinks he is a great coach. I thought he was, but not so much any more. I think the academy (Mills, Heeney, Blakey, Gulden) has been very good to him; or
4. It is only one more year. He has been a good coach. I kinda can't disagree with this, but I also do, again noting premiership windows.

If 1, 2, 4 or a combination thereof we will be looking for a new coach next year. If 3 and we renew him next year my dummy will be well and truly spat.
Succession plan or not, the Club should invite submissions and interview all candidates. Start the process now. Ambitious assistants will jump at the chance to coach our list. And Horse? If we are not renewing his contract it is only fair to tell him as soon as that decision is made.
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Cox has it
 
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