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Potentially a consequence of heavy training loads from Inness with the focus on improving power?

They had a long time off.

I’ll worry about it more if it’s still bad in Feb.

Wasn’t meaning to create a reaction. Just passing comment.

 

[CarmenSandiego]

I don't agree. There have been so many players improve their skills once into a full time AFL environment. Almost every u18 has improved out of sight after 2 or 3 years. Even a genrally good kick like Weitering went through that horror year where he couldn't hit a target. The more hours invested into kicking the better.

What u/18 draftee with questionable kicking style, accuracy etc has really turned it around? From my perspective they all remain about the same or slightly improve. For example, Ollie Hollands is an ok kick - but is slow boot to ball & lacks penetration, I expect he will improve, but not that much.

The thing that annoys me a lot is that they rarely seem to address kicking technique.

Local Golf pros exist the world over and spend all of their time working with golfers of all ages/levels to change/ improve their technique.

Why is kicking this special thing where you never fix a flaw in a technique? You just practice your mistakes more and more.

Too many variables with kicking vs. golf imo. How much pressure are you under? Who's chasing you? Are they quicker than you? What angle are they coming from to impact your ability to get boot to ball? Where's the target? Are they stationary? Fatigue level? etc.

Buddy Franklin could have kicked another couple hundred goals with a technique where he didn't kick around the corner.

Although I will say Harry did clearly straighten up his technique last season and it showed on the scoreboard. But that was an exception to the rule.

I did say besides set shot kicking - I do believe that set shot kicking can be improved dramatically with repetition and routine.

The first thing I'd do with Ben C is send him to an intensive kicking coach for a month and make him sort out the obvious flaw - that almost 2 handed drop he does which makes him kick off his instep when under pressure.

Individually for a month, yes, to fix his technique. Then he'd need to hire 4-5 extras to chase him around putting him under pressure for another month or 2... or 3.

 

[marcmurphy3]

They had a long time off.

I’ll worry about it more if it’s still bad in Feb.

Wasn’t meaning to create a reaction. Just passing comment.

It's worth calling out. We make excuses for it every preseason, but it remains an issue in the season proper. Hopefully this year is different.

 

[Love the Drake]

It's worth calling out. We make excuses for it every preseason, but it remains an issue in the season proper. Hopefully this year is different.

Absolutely. Teams like Brisbane, hawthorn and dare I say it, Collingwood, have it all over us with their skills/hitting targets.

There is no excuse for sloppy disposals. Ever. Get better. Raise the expectations and standards.

 

[Moon]

Fingers crossed we don't follow our trend over recent seasons of quickly becoming Top 3 longest Injury lists early and continuing throughout the season. How nice it would be to face teams like Collingwood, Geelong and Brisbane with a full strength team.

 

[Sector 7G]

Too many variables with kicking vs. golf imo. How much pressure are you under? Who's chasing you? Are they quicker than you? What angle are they coming from to impact your ability to get boot to ball? Where's the target? Are they stationary? Fatigue level? etc.

Disagree. There are plenty of variables in golf (terrain, lie, wind, desired ball flight, desired ball shape) and pressure is always there. It is underlying technique that you practise and fall back to. Get the desired technique locked into the muscle memory and you are going to be better more consistently under pressure and dealing with variables.

Kids in the school talent programmes are now having video analysis on kicking technique to ensure there don't develop bad technique. Like in golf the coaches will draw line on stills to show areas to improve. It shouldn't stop when players become professional. Golfers have a coach (sometimes for the worse) for all of their careers

 

[CCurnow3votes]

Fingers crossed we don't follow our trend over recent seasons of quickly becoming Top 3 longest Injury lists early and continuing throughout the season. How nice it would be to face teams like Collingwood, Geelong and Brisbane with a full strength team.

Thanks for your fingers crossed BTW.

Walking on dangerous ground!

 

[Soapy V]

Absolutely. Teams like Brisbane, hawthorn and dare I say it, Collingwood, have it all over us with their skills/hitting targets.

There is no excuse for sloppy disposals. Ever. Get better. Raise the expectations and standards.

Yep. I have been calling for this for years. Our skills by foot are poor

 

[Love the Drake]

Yep. I have been calling for this for years. Our skills by foot are poor

It’s incredible how we have accepted this over the years. Particularly with our leaders.
Cripps disposal has improved significantly over the last 2 years, was ordinary before then.
Walsh’s has steadily declined.
Doc bombs it high and without thought when under pressure.
Harry and Charlie flaky set shots but excellent field kicks.
Williams hot & cold.
Cerra great before injury, but woeful last two years.
Acres kicks them twice as high as long.
Interesting that Weiters has always been very good.
Newman is a great, creative kick.

Boyd talked up as the best kick in the league mid 2024, then couldn’t hit the side of a barn.
Ollie very average. Holds onto it too long so kicks under pressure.
Saad bombs it long too often, only hits targets with those short 90 degree passes.

I could go on.

 

[El Topo]

It’s incredible how we have accepted this over the years. Particularly with our leaders.
Cripps disposal has improved significantly over the last 2 years, was ordinary before then.
Walsh’s has steadily declined.
Doc bombs it high and without thought when under pressure.
Harry and Charlie flaky set shots but excellent field kicks.
Williams hot & cold.
Cerra great before injury, but woeful last two years.
Acres kicks them twice as high as long.
Interesting that Weiters has always been very good.
Newman is a great, creative kick.

Boyd talked up as the best kick in the league mid 2024, then couldn’t hit the side of a barn.
Ollie very average. Holds onto it too long so kicks under pressure.
Saad bombs it long too often, only hits targets with those short 90 degree passes.

I could go on.

Most of the above had the same attributes when recruited - we haven't had much if any regard for finesse until very recently (Elijah, Moir, Jagga)

 

[Crippa#9]

It’s incredible how we have accepted this over the years. Particularly with our leaders.
Cripps disposal has improved significantly over the last 2 years, was ordinary before then.
Walsh’s has steadily declined.
Doc bombs it high and without thought when under pressure.
Harry and Charlie flaky set shots but excellent field kicks.
Williams hot & cold.
Cerra great before injury, but woeful last two years.
Acres kicks them twice as high as long.
Interesting that Weiters has always been very good.
Newman is a great, creative kick.

Boyd talked up as the best kick in the league mid 2024, then couldn’t hit the side of a barn.
Ollie very average. Holds onto it too long so kicks under pressure.
Saad bombs it long too often, only hits targets with those short 90 degree passes.

I could go on.

You're spot on.
Ollie being groomed to play that 'sweeper' role is fine but his kicking needs improvement.
I suppose we're hoping Boyd can be that Zorko / Houston type ball user coming out of our back half. Big ask but players like that are so important to how a team sets up defensively and when it's time to transition quickly.

Boyd, Zac & Cerra are really the only three I want kicking the ball to Harry & Charlie. They're not the most consistent but arguably our best hit-up kickers.

 

[Arr0w]

On kicking efficiency, most clubs sit in a fairly tight range, what they don't tell you is style of gameplan or whether easier targets were purely ignored or not seen

In the modern game, it's more about gaining territory quickly, rather than being precise

This is all teams in 2024



2017 Tigers rated last with 62.8

While I believe we need to be better, there would only be a marginal improvement, which really wouldn't be a major factor, compared to other aspects

The game is more about gaining and retaining forward half presence

 

[Soapy V]

You're spot on.
Ollie being groomed to play that 'sweeper' role is fine but his kicking needs improvement.
I suppose we're hoping Boyd can be that Zorko / Houston type ball user coming out of our back half. Big ask but players like that are so important to how a team sets up defensively and when it's time to transition quickly.

Boyd, Zac & Cerra are really the only three I want kicking the ball to Harry & Charlie. They're not the most consistent but arguably our best hit-up kickers.

I think Ollie will be better running straight. It's why I was pushing for him back there

Cowan with another pre season will help and the positives coming through are Wilson and L.Camporeale. Differnt players but both use it well and pick good options.

Boyd I like but so far he is up and down. If he can be involved more he really helps with our ball use form defence. Personally, I'd like to see Docherty go back to defence. he is smart and composed and will create. We don't need him on ball any more as we have options. The othere one is Cottrell. He has HB flank written all over him. He gets lost up the ground. He is a very good ball user. Let him run of HB and I reckon he would be a better player

We really need Moir Elijah Cowan Wilson Lucas Jagga stepping up as it will help our ball use a lot

 

[Jimmae]

Potentially a consequence of heavy training loads from Inness with the focus on improving power?

Ok I have pre-season discussion bingo, anyone else?

 

[Juice030103]

Of those kicking efficiency stats I’d love to know how many easy ones we miss, reckon that order would change up quite a bit if you took out “risky kicks”

 

[Soapy V]

It’s incredible how we have accepted this over the years. Particularly with our leaders.
Cripps disposal has improved significantly over the last 2 years, was ordinary before then.
Walsh’s has steadily declined.
Doc bombs it high and without thought when under pressure.
Harry and Charlie flaky set shots but excellent field kicks.
Williams hot & cold.
Cerra great before injury, but woeful last two years.
Acres kicks them twice as high as long.
Interesting that Weiters has always been very good.
Newman is a great, creative kick.

Boyd talked up as the best kick in the league mid 2024, then couldn’t hit the side of a barn.
Ollie very average. Holds onto it too long so kicks under pressure.
Saad bombs it long too often, only hits targets with those short 90 degree passes.

I could go on.

It's this and decision making. The way we go inside 50 is so frustrating. 90% of the time we bomb it when players are on their own. We have so many chances to kick "easy" goals and we don't take them

 

[Arr0w]

Of those kicking efficiency stats I’d love to know how many easy ones we miss, reckon that order would change up quite a bit if you took out “risky kicks”

Bit both ways I guess, you still need to take the game on

While you might miss the initial kick, it may not mean it's a team turn over

 

[Arr0w]

Will be interesting what our match sims produce in January and through the rest of the preseason

While I think the coaches will cement our stoppage work, tweaking our transition game should be an important focus

Can't see the better sides drifting too far away from forward half territory/pressure

 

[BlueNath]

It's this and decision making. The way we go inside 50 is so frustrating. 90% of the time we bomb it when players are on their own. We have so many chances to kick "easy" goals and we don't take them

I just wonder how much is driven by directives rather than poor decision making. Early in 24 we still seemed to have a game plan that was driven by theory too much. That general theory seemed to be "territory" above all else, a term Vossy references a lot. And the thinking may be sound... we have two gun forwards and some good pressure forwards. It kinda made sense it will work for us.

There would absolutely have been direction to "spot up the easy target if it is on offer". But when your coach also rewards long bombs to get territory, then the easier decision is just to long bomb it.

It soon became clear the long bomb wasn't working for us and we were just too predictable. I think our coaches made changes, and we started seeing some improvements throughout 24. But we just keep falling into bad habits.

I am confident we will get better in this area in 25. They are working hard on it and you now hear Vossy using words like "freedom" and "creativity", which suggests to me he is backing in players to use their natural talents when going forward. All training videos and reports suggest we are improving in this (and many other) area. At least I ***king hope so

 

[95blues]

Bit both ways I guess, you still need to take the game on

While you might miss the initial kick, it may not mean it's a team turn over

Its not the turnovers that get me... its the transition kicks/handpasses to open players that constantly miss by several meters and slow the transition.

Switches that the receiver has to run back 10-15 meters to mark etc etc

 

[Arr0w]

Its not the turnovers that get me... its the transition kicks/handpasses to open players that constantly miss by several meters and slow the transition.

Switches that the receiver has to run back 10-15 meters to mark etc etc

Certainly periods where this was visible

It would be a mixture of lack of confidence, gameplan and player skills

 

[Arr0w]

If all 6 are playing come end of season we’re in good shape.

I like what Voss is doing shaking up the team cause we weren’t winning it with how we were structured or personal.


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I'll still judge the season on total team output. Most of those guys are already regulars to some degree anyway

 

[Blue since 72]

On kicking efficiency, most clubs sit in a fairly tight range, what they don't tell you is style of gameplan or whether easier targets were purely ignored or not seen

In the modern game, it's more about gaining territory quickly, rather than being precise

This is all teams in 2024

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2017 Tigers rated last with 62.8

While I believe we need to be better, there would only be a marginal improvement, which really wouldn't be a major factor, compared to other aspects

The game is more about gaining and retaining forward half presence

But but but ...... Collingwood have Nick Daicos

 

[Aphrodite]

 

[Aphrodite]