Prediction 2025 - Best 23 + Emergencies - Rolling

[JustOneTime]

I wonder if you are interpreting things through the lens of brisbane being a premiership team, so creating a narrative that fits why they are better? Not a slight. We all do it at times.

If I look at our back 6 I think Newman, Saad and McGovern are better then their counterparts. Weitering and Andrews about equal. Haynes and Cowan lesser. On talent we are about even at worst (as you pointed out).

Cowan, Weitering, Newman, McGovern all have plenty of aggression. Saad might not have that demeanour but he plays aggressive. I dont think aggression is a problem and I'm not sure the whole intimidation factor is really a thing.

I reckon our defensive breakdown this year was more a team defense issue then a backline issue. In either case defense has never been Brisbanes strength either (though they improved this year). The main issue for us vs brisbane is they are quicker and more skilled across the board plus have alot more forward half threats.

Doesn't mean our backline is perfect. I think we are one 2nd KPD short (no short-term fix) and need another accumulator with good disposal that can add run (hopefully O.Hollands).

Not really a Brisbane focus but just there for highlighting something i 'personally' feel is wrong with our defender's profiles. I've previously cited other teams in my defence thoughts (Melbourne, Pies, GC) when talking about the 2nd key man on man defender (posts you have previously responded to). I even mentioned two geelong players in the post that you missed. So i think you want to disagree which is fine and have slapped me with a narrative to suit your narrative. Mistaken genius (no slight taken) and I love it.

Totally agree with your point on defensive breakdown which includes defensive transition. Some attributed to the issues faced by Walsh/Cerra, and some attributed to our slowness and transition plan.

Another way to put it, If I was the 19th team coming into Tasmania, I wouldn't target any of Young, Kemp, McGovern (unless there was nothing else), or Boyd because I don't think they have the right attributes or profile I'd look for. At Carlton, they have just fell into the roles through desperation. I would target Weitering, Saad, Cowan (only developing) and then look elsewhere. I would also not target O Hollands for my backline.

It's really interesting what you note about McGovern being aggressive. I'd recommend you watch him a little closer and you will see what I do. When a player is blindsided, and unprepared, McGovern does show aggression and collects that player nicely. I'll take that as best we can with him. When there is danger, there is no aggression as he is simply avoiding those situations as best as he can; and he is def avoiding them.

Overall, it is just my view. Let's watch them this year. I am pretty stoked to see Haynes back there. Love Saad the most, and have faith in Weiters.

 

[marcmurphy3]

Not really a Brisbane focus but just there for highlighting something i 'personally' feel is wrong with our defender's profiles. I've previously cited other teams in my defence thoughts (Melbourne, Pies, GC) when talking about the 2nd key man on man defender (posts you have previously responded to). I even mentioned two geelong players in the post that you missed. So i think you want to disagree which is fine and have slapped me with a narrative to suit your narrative. Mistaken genius (no slight taken) and I love it.

Totally agree with your point on defensive breakdown which includes defensive transition. Some attributed to the issues faced by Walsh/Cerra, and some attributed to our slowness and transition plan.

Another way to put it, If I was the 19th team coming into Tasmania, I wouldn't target any of Young, Kemp, McGovern (unless there was nothing else), or Boyd because I don't think they have the right attributes or profile I'd look for. At Carlton, they have just fell into the roles through desperation. I would target Weitering, Saad, Cowan (only developing) and then look elsewhere. I would also not target O Hollands for my backline.

It's really interesting what you note about McGovern being aggressive. I'd recommend you watch him a little closer and you will see what I do. When a player is blindsided, and unprepared, McGovern does show aggression and collects that player nicely. I'll take that as best we can with him. When there is danger, there is no aggression as he is simply avoiding those situations as best as he can; and he is def avoiding them.

Overall, it is just my view. Let's watch them this year. I am pretty stoked to see Haynes back there. Love Saad the most, and have faith in Weiters.

Apologise if I missed other posts. Was just responding to this particular one. You make some fair points. I dont disagree with all of it. Just the Brisbane benchmark and aggression stuff. I guess we'll see how things play out throughout the year (hopefully better then last year ).

 

[CJMB]

Haynes Weitering Saad
O.Hollands McGovern Newman

Acres Cripps Docherty
De Koning Cerra Walsh

Kemp Curnow E.Hollands
Williams McKay Motlop

Cowan Hewett Smith Moir

Emg/sub from C.Durdin, Lord, Boyd, Binns, Silvagni

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Newman Weitering McGovern
Saad Haynes Cowan
Acres Cripps Doch
Kemp Charlie Elijah
Durdin McKay Williams

TDK Cerra Walsh

Ollie JSOS George Moir/Motlop

Moir/Motlop

 

[bigblueboy]

Haynes at 188cm is a better option as the 2IC KPD than …

Young
McGovern
Silvagni
Kemp
Phillips
DGB
McMahon
Lemmey
O’Farrell

It’s actually not hard to make this case in my view.

 

[carlton_99]

Haynes at 188cn is a better option as the 2IC KPD than …

Young
McGovern
Silvagni
Kemp
Phillips
DGB
McMahon
Lemmey
O’Farrell

It’s actually not hard to make this case in my view.

Haynes is 192cm

 

[bigblueboy]

Haynes is 192cm

 

[marcmurphy3]

Haynes at 188cm is a better option as the 2IC KPD than …

Young
McGovern
Silvagni
Kemp
Phillips
DGB
McMahon
Lemmey
O’Farrell

It’s actually not hard to make this case in my view.

I think the options on the open market were limited and we prefered the undersized guy who is a really good player to a more genuine KPD with deficiencies.

 

[carlton_99]

Very odd bigblueboy - AFL website and GWS website has him at 192cm

 

[bigblueboy]

I think the options on the open market were limited and we prefered the undersized guy who is a really good player to a more genuine KPD with deficiencies.

Agree - and I trust him based on history more than any of the others on our list.

Is still a little concerning as I think we are betting on him playing a more accountable role than the one he excelled in at GWS.

 

[bigblueboy]

Very odd bigblueboy - AFL website and GWS website has him at 192cm

yep I’d probably trust those. Either way he isn’t really KPP - more an interceptor build.

 

[marcmurphy3]

Agree - and I trust him based on history more than any of the others on our list.

Is still a little concerning as I think we are betting on him playing a more accountable role than the one he excelled in at GWS.

Agree with that, although we were running with Kemp most last year in that role and he is also undersized. At the very least, Haynes should be able to provide what he did minus the brain fades.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Personally think McGovern with his speed can play small. If it was out of Cowan, Boyd and Mcgovern to take a non KPP tall, i'd still pick Mcgovern and allow him to bully which is what he too loves.

Haynes type is required because he actually understands the intercept role. I wouldn't use Haynes in any other capacity.

Weitering and Saad are self explanatory.

The hole is the key defender potatoe role (Payne, Petty, Collins type). We dont have one and young is an interceptor who happens to be tall. Despite the height difference, Young and Haynes should be competing for interceptor to suit their actual abilities. Having said that, young is deplorable aside from a free intercept mark so Haynes easily for me. I'm hoping like hell for Hawthorn's phillips/DGB/JSoS to fill this 'need'.

Newy v Doc maybe with no real preference. Might just slightly prefer Doc.

Cinc/cowan for the last spot. Boyd needs his best form and he is stuck as a role inbetweener based on his current traits.

how many teams have 2 gun kpfs which would require both weitering and a gorilla lockdown?

I think Haynes as an interceptor means Weitering can take the best forward and we don't need a "potato".

rather us be more mobile defensively and more skilled on the counter attack.

it works for other teams - 2023 pies had one lockdown, moore as the interceptor and howe

weitering haynes mcgovern can do it

 

[The Smoking Gun]

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According to the GWS site he's 192cm.

 

[JustOneTime]

how many teams have 2 gun kpfs which would require both weitering and a gorilla lockdown?

I think Haynes as an interceptor means Weitering can take the best forward and we don't need a "potato".

rather us be more mobile defensively and more skilled on the counter attack.

it works for other teams - 2023 pies had one lockdown, moore as the interceptor and howe

weitering haynes mcgovern can do it

Think I've already responded this previously when talking about the requirement for the potato defender. About 5/6 teams forwards got a hold of us because we lacked the right one-one-one defensive tall. The key bit being oppositin forwards who are typically useless or young/developing and shouldnt kick goals. Dear. Combden, Georgiades (he is a pass), Koesitche, Ratugulea etc...lots of shit fwd players who played one of their best 3 games of the season against us.

So not about gun forwards as much as really crap situation of putting our undersized second defender against chopped liver and losing.

The key outcome. With a Kemp/Haynes type...having the BESt 1-2 punch in charlie and Harry is being equally offset by opposition key forwards who are crap!

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

how many teams have 2 gun kpfs which would require both weitering and a gorilla lockdown?

I think Haynes as an interceptor means Weitering can take the best forward and we don't need a "potato".

rather us be more mobile defensively and more skilled on the counter attack.

it works for other teams - 2023 pies had one lockdown, moore as the interceptor and howe

weitering haynes mcgovern can do it

Our defenders and defensive depth are fine...unless we lose Weiters for a lengthy period.
Their issues are compounded by our poor pressure in the FWD50 and a slow midfield.

But we are recruiting kids to resolve these issues, just gotta give them some game time.

 

[reubsblues]

Dynamic small forward is our biggest weakness and may well cost us at the business end

Agree Durdin and motlop are the 2 big disappointments for me both need massive leaps in output this yr

 

[Love the Drake]

Tough gig trying to fit everyone in! My pre- Christmas teams. Both looking stacked with talent.

AFL
Haynes Weitering Saad
Newman McGovern Ollie
Acres Cripps Doch
Williams Charlie Elijah
Motlop McKay Kemp
TDK Cerra Walsh

In: Cowan Fog George Smith
Sub:JSOS

VFL
Boyd Young Charleson
Wilson Phillips O’Farrell
L Campo B Campo Binns
Moir McMahon Cottrell
Durdin Lemmey Fantasia
Pitt Hayes Lord
In: O’Keefe Duffy Evans Monahan

 

[BlueNath]

Tough gig trying to fit everyone in! My pre- Christmas teams. Both looking stacked with talent.

AFL
Haynes Weitering Saad
Newman McGovern Ollie
Acres Cripps Doch
Williams Charlie Elijah
Motlop McKay Kemp
TDK Cerra Walsh

In: Cowan Lord George Moir
Sub:JSOS

VFL
Boyd Young Charleson
Wilson Phillips O’Farrell
L Campo B Campo Binns
Monahan McMahon Cottrell
Durdin Lemmey Fantasia
Pitt Hayes Cincotta
In: O’Keefe Duffy Evans DGB/S Durdin

So stacked for talent you could not even find a spot for Jagga?

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

So stacked for talent you could not even find a spot for Jagga?

Interesting to see if Lord or George make way for Jag, depending on pre season form?

 

[marcmurphy3]

So stacked for talent you could not even find a spot for Jagga?

Not even good enough for our vfl side. Now that is stacked.

 

[Arr0w]

Not even good enough for our vfl side. Now that is stacked.

Starting in the development league

 

[COACH25]

B: McGovern Weitering Saad
HB: Boyd Haynes Newman
C: Acres Cripps O.Hollands
HF: Hollands McKay Jagga
F: Williams Curnow Motlop
OB: TDK Walsh Cerra
IC: Kemp, Cowan, Hewett & Doc
Emergency
Cinc, Moir, Fog, silvagni Cottrell

 

[The Smoking Gun]

Just a note for everyone, I'm not sure (within reason) you can have a right or wrong side at this point.

For now I've gone with:

B: Newman, Weitering, Saad
HB: Docherty, Young, Smith
C: Cowan, Cripps, Acres
HF: E.Hollands, Kemp, Williams
F: Motlop, McKay, Curnow
R: TDK, Hewett, Walsh
IC: Haynes, Cerra, Lord, Fogarty
Sub: McGovern

Notes:
Really like how O'Keefe's filled out. Might surprise should injury to others create an opening. Otherwise patience is the key here.
Want to see how Moir's endurance holds up and what his work without the ball is like before I commit. Practice games will tell the story here.
I'd start Smith on a HBF with say 5 minutes a quarter on the ball. This isn't like when we got Walsh and had to throw the lambs to the Wolves. Norf with Sheezel & McKircher and Pies with Daicos did a similar thing with great success.
Providing Young's form is similar to the end of last year and/or 2022 then I'm happy to start him, otherwise Gov comes in. Practice games will tell the story.
I've pushed Cowan up onto a wing, but whether you put Newman or Doc there becomes a matter of preference. Maybe rotate there and off the back of the square.
Kemp's at CHF given McKay and Curnow always start deep. I want him to lead up the ground to open up the space behind him. Whether McKay & Curnow are smart enough to lead into that space rather than always wrestle is another matter.
If Lord plays, it will be in addition to Cerra & Hewett not instead of. Already reaping the rewards of genuine preseason in an elite AFL environment. His improved running power is testament to that.
I don't have a spot for Binns, Boyd, SOS, Cottrell, Cincotta, O.Hollands or Durdin atm.

There's still plenty of water to go under the bridge between now and Round 1 so no doubt there will be some adjustments made.

 

[Arr0w]

Just a note for everyone, I'm not sure (within reason) you can have a right or wrong side at this point.

For now I've gone with:

B: Newman, Weitering, Saad
HB: Docherty, Young, Smith
C: Cowan, Cripps, Acres
HF: E.Hollands, Kemp, Williams
F: Motlop, McKay, Curnow
R: TDK, Hewett, Walsh
IC: Haynes, Cerra, Lord, Fogarty
Sub: McGovern

Notes:
Really like how O'Keefe's filled out. Might surprise should injury to others create an opening. Otherwise patience is the key here.
Want to see how Moir's endurance holds up and what his work without the ball is like before I commit. Practice games will tell the story here.
I'd start Smith on a HBF with say 5 minutes a quarter on the ball. This isn't like when we got Walsh and had to throw the lambs to the Wolves. Norf with Sheezel & McKircher and Pies with Daicos did a similar thing with great success.
Providing Young's form is similar to the end of last year and/or 2022 then I'm happy to start him, otherwise Gov comes in. Practice games will tell the story.
I've pushed Cowan up onto a wing, but whether you put Newman or Doc there becomes a matter of preference. Maybe rotate there and off the back of the square.
Kemp's at CHF given McKay and Curnow always start deep. I want him to lead up the ground to open up the space behind him. Whether McKay & Curnow are smart enough to lead into that space rather than always wrestle is another matter.
If Lord plays, it will be in addition to Cerra & Hewett not instead of. Already reaping the rewards of genuine preseason in an elite AFL environment. His improved running power is testament to that.
I don't have a spot for Binns, Boyd, SOS, Cottrell, Cincotta, O.Hollands or Durdin atm.

There's still plenty of water to go under the bridge between now and Round 1 so no doubt there will be some adjustments made.

Bit left field but some interesting positional selections

Young would have to get back to 2023 form. Not my first choice for Smith, but would find it easier at HB

Like Cowan on a wing, think that's his position in time

Gov probably plays most weeks due to his speed and kicking. Would love to see him pushed forward again, with the acquisition of Hayes