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Bottoming out never guarantees success and languishing at the bottom sucks. We've been there too many times. Can't imagine hoping we lose even one game.

I've been watching the Dees since the early 70's and one thing I can say is that winning is better than losing. I think objective and realistic assessment of where we are and what we can do to improve is great but I can't understand wishing we fail. Wishing we lose. Tanking isn't the answer and...

What do you guys reckon? Are there any optimists left? Are other teams in the mix even worse?

The way he is sluggish to react, seems slightly dazed and stacked on weight reminds me of a friend of mine that was on some hefty meds. Seeing Max and others attend press conference and help it out. The club might be trying to support him but if he's not up to it then time to support him in VFL...

Umpires BOG. 20-9...

What's the free kick count?

Are you talking about Taiwan or premierships in the VFA?

I'll be there with family and friends. I doubt it will be packed but should be some inquisitive locals. Most will have been introduced by friends/family to the game.

Pretty sure it will be on the local TV station ICS Shanghai over here. It used to stream but just gave it a go and got nothing.... See how you go and if I hear of more will let you know.

Nah, the station is a local Shanghai (15 million odd) English channel which also broadcasts to neighbouring provinces hence the 100 million total. Most cities here have about 50 channels - half national and half local. They are milking the figures- not unexpected for anything coming from China...

Already got my tickets- should be a great day. The wife's favourite player is Davey and she'll be spewing if he doesn't make it though I'm not hopeful. Anyone have any news? Hope a good team rocks up and puts on a game against the Lions like earlier this year. They have had an AFL wrap all...

Isn't that the Carlton training vid? How'd you get your hands on that?

Yeah, I just had a chat with Glenn Archer, Shinboner of the Century, and he assured me its Norf.

This thread arrives every 6 months. Any decline is due to repetition and lack of originality. Such as this thread. But actually the Bay is pretty much the same- just runs in cycles. One cycle is newbies lamenting the decline of the bay.

Are all Freo fans born without a humour gland or is it removed when they don purple?

This thread needs more bass.

When a Norf player can pronounce it correctly so will the rest of us- good luck.

Apologies for any offence from the crap I wrote today. I was venting. Had a tough day and my employer at present is a ****. And follows North. It's bay 13. Most North fans I know personally are all right. On BF though there are a contingent that ruin your reputation.

Nothing sadder than a whore beggin for it and getting knocked back. How humiliating.

I think you actually believe that.... Nice one. A quick question about the Shinboners. How was Glenn Archer named Shinboner of the Century and Wayne Carey Shinboner of the modern era? Which bright spark came up with that.

The bolded part is main point. No team has whored themselves as much as North. It's not open for dispute. As to the Dees being irrelevant you can well think that but it is a long way from the truth. At least you readily admit we have been relevant at times in our history. North have never...

Thing is we are relevant. We have had our ups and downs but that's life. North on the other hand have never been a powerhouse or successful enough to really warrant respect. North are like a contestant on a reality TV program that gets up and sings a song every year. And they're terrible yet...

This thread is about feral North fans and your struggling club. Not about the Dees- if you want to discuss that start your own thread rather than deflect. I'll give you a tip about Melbourne though- it's our game so get stuffed. If you don't want to play with us go join the soccer league.

I'm sorry, did I miss something? You've been a powerhouse for the past 50-60 years? Since 1950? On and off field? Obvious denial there- open your eyes. North begged for decades to join the VFL and the VFL finally conceeded. North have never proved this a good decision. They would rightly be...

North fans have always been feral but something has certainly set them off recently. Not sure what it is- perhaps the slow realisation that they aren't up to it, that the list as it is will never bring them a flag and with the new teams to come in they will likely struggle on and off field and...

Ok.... I'll take your word for it that a thread I can't even see has Melbourne supporters pushing for Pav's exclusion at the expense of Green from the AA team. You obviously feel threatened enough to dismiss the consideration that we could compare stats. This thread is about the...

Who has said Pav won't make AA? I reckon he should.... Why can't we compare his stats with Pav? They match up well. Can we compare anyones stats with Pav or is he too godly? Is it blasphemy? Have you even looked at the stats?

Like a kick to the balls.

He's better than Lecras and will probably take his spot so I understand your bitterness. He's "only kicked 43 goals" but he has more possessions, marks, tackles I50's, R50's, effective possessions than anyone else mentioned in this thread. Think about it and watch some games. If he played...

He's hard done by because he was sacked mid season. Tell me how many players you recall that have been treated this way? Everyone knew the Bulldogs were taking a chance with Aker when they took him on, he wasn't a new recruit, they knew who he was but they weighed it up and decided the...