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Has there ever been a player of Columbian descent in the AFL? I found out Adelaide has approximately 50,000 Columbians through my work last year, which seems quite high (unsure if they are drawn to Adelaide or this is standard/low compared to the rest of Australia), but in a few years we can...

Eventually someone with enough money and determination to get to where they want may challenge it in court, and the AFL hand will be forced as the NRL's was. .

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Excuse me Joshy, but you are wrong, wrong, wrong. The same types who melted over us not picking up Luke Valente, sprayed urine over the walls when we took Oscar Allen with our second pick and wanted Jake Waterman delisted last year have spoken.

He also said we should trade pick 1 last year for a similar cohort of players. Can't remember exactly which ones but Jack Silvagni was certainly among them.

Far less worried about the bolded. Lots of players can play loose back in teams handing out floggings and look good. Almost fell out of my chair when some scrubber named him at HBF for best team of the prelim finals. Was playing on Zac Bailey from what I can see, who had a lazy 19 and 2.

Almost want to pick him up to save the embarrassment if he comes on.

Hawks drop like Crows/Saints (hardly out of the question). Or we use their selection plus two F1 whilst finishing bottom 5 ourselves.

And putting a lot of eggs in a single draft basket.

Owies had a bit of interest for other clubs. Probably would have cost us a pick in the 40s on his own (which we didn't have). Wasn't going to be available as a DFA. I'm not saying he moved the needle much or really at all, it appears we were always keen to split. But I think he is also a...

Its much easy to look good in winning teams. This is how teams can plummet down the ladder in a single season (as we did). Their true colours as bog ordinary AFL players get shown up once its time for them to be the ones leading the way. Rotham is one such player. Petch another, Cole to a...

I'm not saying I would have done it, but once again, it did allow us to keep a pick closer to Bakers value which we would have otherwise lost. That is really important. At least to me, as I think Baker is a great pick up.

I could live with the pick swap. But the Baker trade didn't need to have anything to do with it. We should have held 14 waiting for an offer for it which got closer to a single pick at Bakers value (19-21). Lets say 14 for 19 and F2. Trade Baker for 19. OUT: 3,63,68,F4, TB, Darling IN: 12...

If Carlton finish bottom 4 they have ‘made the worst trade in history unless they pick up Chris Judd. 4,12,22 for 3

Not disagreeing with that. Doesn’t change the fact that if we had, we would have less picks in the draft than we do now.

The trade got us more picks? No way Baker gets traded without using 26 if we didn’t split 3. We essentially got Baker and 26 for a 9 pick downgrade. Now to be clear, I think we could have done much better than we did after the pick split. But it did get us an extra pick in the circumstances...

Yeah fair enough. With Rivers and Windsor, Viney Trac and Oliver, I figured they would only take one. But you’re right, questions marks on the big two.

We probably want to hope Tigers don't trade out any of their 4 picks before us (unless it is to us). They are at most are taking two mids you would think. Saints and Dees also have multiple picks before us (and Dees need players everywhere other than midfield) so hard to see both taking four...

To be frank im not sure any of those players you mentioned are any good. Bruhn - let’s see the melts on here if Ginbey or Hewett are averaging 17 touches a game in their 4th season (and in a good side) Smith is a pretty good 4th best mid (as he was at Dogs). Don’t know how you are going with...

Smith is coming off an ACL and has umm…other concerns. Geelong were vary weary and I am a little surprised they paid 17

And from Eagles perspective we got an extra F3 with a chance at a better haul than we got last year. Pretty creative stuff by Hawks

Assume we split the teams the F1 and F2 are for. Reduces the risk. Both could go well sure but good chance one of them drops out of the 8.

If it does end up being F1 + F2 +F2 for TB and F3 its pretty genius stuff from both, with more risk/reward on eagles side. Hawks still give up 14 + F2 in the end. Eagles get an extra F2 and are a chance to get a better pick than 14, but also risk getting a worse one. Eagles end up giving away...

Different people in charge to be fair

It is clear that the terms of the trade were known to all parties at least 6 weeks out from the season end. It was pick 10 and 30 or thereabouts. TB would have been aware of this. Now Hawks are offering the equivalent of pick 14 (by their own rating). So they are reneging on the deal. Plain...

Well we almost have no choice but to hold firm on it now. If for nothing but to try to save a bit of face.