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Wingspan a factor too. NBA realised it's not just your height, plenty of blokes have disproportionately long arms. Speed absolutely a factor. Vertical leap and strength also playing a role.

The thing is where else does he go? If Port can't move Houston they probably don't have the cash. I heard Blues were into him but surely they run out of brown paper bags at some point. Maybe the door is still ajar? Probably just rules out Cummings. Instead of Cummings and Luko.

It literally means the opposite. We missed out on bringing in a big name so we have cash to spend now. The rumours are likely true, the Luko door has closed.

I'm fine with that too, I just don't want to give up a second this year.

Justifying a player on the basis they're better than Ned and Murphy is irrelevant. Everyone is better than them. Whoever pick 25 is will be an improvement. What price are you paying? That's what it comes down to

All the evidence shows the clubs list management is gutless. Too afraid to go all in on players they rate. Too afraid to invest heavily in youth and do a reset. Too afraid to cut old players loose. Too afraid to look a bloke in the eye and tell him it's over. A weak scared club. That's...

Yep, I'm with you on this one. Dees won the flag in what year? A million years ago McHenry and Murphy aren't a standard for anything. Everyone and everything is better, they're not a comparison point. All comes down to price but in a good draft year we can't give up much. If Rosas is...

So our own inability to manage list spots and have a basic level of foresight is a hurdle? How much more evidence do we need to prove we have absolute muppets running our club?

So we're not going to be taking advantage of all the mature talent on offer nor hitting the draft hard in a loaded draft year??? I can only hope we make major changes to our drafting and list management before we have the ability to trade 2 years in advance and do further damage with their...

I disagree with a lot of that. Back flankers are very important in today's game and even if a team thinks they have depth (i doubt that) there is levels to this. Obviously, price is a factor, 2 firsts is too much but that's the sticker price, remains to be seen if it's the end price. Pears...

You have to give up something of value to get something of value. Something Pears fully understand and Crows are too gutless to do. Source 2018 draft. Gave up Wingard and now have Rozee and Butters. Sure there was more to the trade etc but you get the point.

JFC I hope our next years first is not on the table

100%. Port is pushing him out, they've done well to create the media narrative that Houston is driving this. Their list management is not only better but how they go about it. They don't put players offside as much, just business.

He made AA...

Hopefully that means our first is definitely off the table

Might want to pull the trigger on Rosas before GC realise it's a sellers market

And it's not a Bowes situation how? - There is a small amount of interest in the actual player?

We operate in the shadows a bit. But we're terrible at getting deals done, that's the issue.

I'll cry myself to sleep, but I do that even when pears don't win a flag. So same as always

If GWS has cooled then hello minimum wage contract Berg. Gollant hasn't got the body strength to be a defender of tall forwards and Woz already has the intercepter role. Can't really see where he fits especially if since they would rather try Borlase up forward than him (lol).

But hey let's just back in the exact same drafting and list management crew in once again...

I was more concerned about their backline. One decent KPD short. Or did ZT come good?

A Kossie & Rankine duo would be elite!

This is true, but our forward line needs to learn to function without him—it's time to cut the cord. Obviously, he's resigning though...

Are we bound by the 2 years at all? I thought the AFL limited payouts to 6months?

You need an element of speed, dash and flair in the middle and off half back. The problem is players lose speed with age. I can't see Laird having the speed or agility to be a lock down small defender either, so he's very much up shiet creek. Crouch in the same boat, if not now then soon.

Upping his trade value

Relax guys. Teams or even the players themselves put themself on ice for the last few games if they know they're out the door. Your trade value doesn't go up if you do an ACL...

Is asking for their second overs? Even if we have to chuck some junk back?

22 years old... a decade of Filthy beasting the opposition to come!