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100% from all angles not just lock downs, I guess the residual long terms effects is what can't be gauged or known till the time comes.

In regards to the Suicide rates, I have heard from various sources who deal with this stuff day to day (so not to take as gospel but I trust their experiences more than that of others), that the rates of suicides have not gone up significantly/really at all. However calls to help lines and other...

All good, TBH it was more to hopefully ward off the potential "misinformation" "anti-vax" etc replies from others.

As always happy to be corrected, but to clarify I am going off what was said in the video. Not what I (think) know.

That could/would depend (and I would assume more relevant to USA than here) on how much stock you put in Companies lobbying Political Parties and sponsorship of TV and Media outlets to promote ours and demonize theirs.

Part of what I was asking, but a great bit of information regardless. So thanks! I suppose the question are (I don't expect you to know but if you do brilliant): Was the definition of vaccine updated so these new "vaccines" could be classed as vaccines (here or abroad)? In your opinion would...

All good - I was also only joking/playing. I forget to add the emoji's because of my disdain for them, but should given tone cannot be represented in text. On the subject of learning from all angles. I saw this video the other night, it was a snippet so not 100% sure what the discussion panel...

Pardon?

Do you think many people not knowing the difference (not just on this but many of the parts in play at the moment) is a lack of general understanding or the way the information is being presented? Because if it's the latter then that is it's own problem.

Interoperate it however you like. I am not dismissing much on either side (within reason), but am not in the practice of telling others what or how to or must think.

This I don't know, just bringing it up without any real knowledge or opinion. Just that it will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Possible, hopefully. To be honest at this stage I just want one we know works and is safe for those infected and the the business of who might have stole who's idea can be played out in the boardrooms not the hospital ones.

Agree, was interesting to see family who had been in HK and now back in Melbourne not see the big deal with mask requirments etc as they had dealt with it before a time or two.

Just discussing what seemed far fetch not long ago is not so far fetch now. So it's not always an idea to dismiss things straight away would be the point if I need one. I just like talking about things from multiple angles.

Just bringing up for an possible interesting way things might move forward and not suggesting the level of truth either way. However it is interesting none the less. There are discussions that the new medicine being floated to combat Covid if infected, has similar traits to other established...

I understand what you're saying, but I am not coming from a perspective of best policy given what we know now, just a how it would be perceived. I mean as in how the world will change. I remember discussing with the CEO and Board at my work in mid to late Feb and I said we need to seriously...

Corporationship maybe? It is interesting with their freedom of choice values compared to ours. Say Seat belts for example, I always saw that as common sense rather than a personal freedom removed. However if I am understanding many of the vaccine mandate policies that are being heavily...

When King went off with an injury the game turned (if memory serves).

To all those that replied to my last post - cheers. Always good to hear people views. I will just say that I agree there are some weird and wild theories out there. However I try to keep an open mind and look at as much as I can, every if it's just for an interesting light-hearted read. Having...

On a side note, when it was the Trump adminstration pushing Operation Warp Speed it seemed many Democrats were against a vaccine that was ("will be" given the timeline) produced so quickly. They have changed their narrative now however. But that's not a vaccine comment by me, just a seems it's...

I always figured if you want to give yourself the best chance to know what's going on in the USA, watch CNN and FOX news and then find the middle ground. I agree with news going and being the same here. Be great if the news outlets reported what was happening, good, bad or indifferent without...

But they should be allowed to express it?

That's more than reasonable, I just wonder if for the true Data if an underlying condition should be attributed to the patient (not cause of death) or is....? Does anyone know if there is any truth to the USA junking there stats that no matter the reason to be in hospital or cause of death, if...

Great post! I don't disagree, however we need open and honest communication between all levels of society and views. I think people need to understand that more information will come to light and that may change how we operate or view the approach the last 18 months etc. I saw a great video...

Thanks for chiming in. 2 points: 1: I can't recall ever saying "BuT cOvId Is SaFe FoR yOuNg HeAlThY pEoPlE", so not sure why I would now. I have looked at data and percentages and mentioned those at time (in fact even got my numbers wrong on one). But thanks for the heads up. 2: You do...

I'm hearing you and I don't dismiss it. In fact fair play. But say for arguments sake, an unvaccintted person is not guaranteed (despite the media suggesting otherwise) to contract covid. A vaccinated person is guaranteed to have been given the vaccinations.

Ok, but for how long and what does continued use do over time. Rhetorical question, I don't expect to know that let alone answer it. Same, but there are studies (the validity of them I don't know so take it how you like) showing that over time that is not always the case. Again because of how...

Happy to leave the second part, as mentioned it was over the top. I hear what you are saying and it seems a lot more fair, reasonable and logical than some I have seen. Here and in other places/discussions. My only gripe with it is that there is still so much unknown, not just with the...

So then your issue is with the possible spread, at some point the inability for the vaccines to stop the vaccinated from catching it needs to be addressed. It all can't just fall on the fault of the unvaccinated. Especially if (and I say if) further studies show that the level of transmission is...

Apologies, the tactics to coerce those who are not wanting to be vaccinated to get vaccinated. *this is another extreme example, so I get that it's out there and it's not to be taken as a literal scenario I see, but to make a point in an extreme way. But what if the Goverment went, to save of...