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It happens to much. We are on top and we play like we are the Hawks. Reid centres one to a 3 on 1 turnover. Brown doesn't handball gets smothered. Had all the momentum by just doing the basics well. Go through our wins that's how we do it. Just doing the basics well.

The good thing for me tonight I've put to rest any hope of Cloke playing a meaningful part in our future. Just to slow when the ball hits the deck. Build the forward line around Moore Cox Elliot Fas. Sprinkle in some crumming forwards and go from there. Cloke has no part any more.

Always seems to happen to us. If we can start well it could just stamp out any resistance.

Just love the way we are trying to play. The run through the middle instead of just bombing like we use to. We are going to make mistakes but we can only get better at it.

A lot of guys bad bad basic errors last night. More then in previous games. We can't seem to be crisp with our disposal all game. When we are we play like the GWS/Cats games. One of our biggest problems is we don't do the basic things good enough. Like hitting the right target kicking to the...

It's a worry for him. I would be surprised if they sit him for the rest of the year. Has had a few now. Can't believe I'd ever say this but we missed his run tonight

Yeah see ya Williams. Gave us nothing tonight. Cloke stays for me. Didn't have a great one but we didn't really do much to help the forwards. Fasolo was quiet but he will get better.

All depends who shows up. Cats game pies turn up we could sneak a few. Port game pies turn up we don't win any.

He is the reason we need preseason trading. We could get a first round pick. It's just when the season starts he goes to water.

I think we win tonight. At the G a week off and just with some old heads in to steady the ship. Go pies.

Why do you think Holden are at the club? I would say Eddie plays a big part in that. If they leave so be it there will be someone else to take their place in a heartbeat.

Didn't take our chances cost us. Then injuries cost us. Nothing more nothing less. We're the better side by far just didn't capitalise on our chances.

Was greenwood out of contract when we got him? Maybe north are paying.

Loved it back in the 80's 90's when the cheer squad sat in the top stands of Waverley and the MCG. Just looked great.

If we can't match them for height we have to go the other way and try and beat them with run. Reid in if he is not right Cloke in White to the backline.

In the end to get a player of Treloar's talent you'd have to draft him high in the first round. So we used our first pick last year to do that and had to use next years pick to get the deal done. So we are only losing next years pick. So far this year he seems like he is worth it.

Treloar is worth every pick we gave up for him. 5 for him. 4 Pendlesbury 3 Adams 2 Howe 1 Sidebottom

I think this gets over looked. When the succession plan was done we were mid table Couldn't beat the good sides look nowhere near winning a flag. Ed gifted him 2010 2011 he could have just not signed him after 2009. He had ten years and had not got us a premiership. You can see why the deal...

Yeah I'm on that bus too.

I think you are remembering history a little different to what actually happened. For a start it wasn't Buckley who remonstrated with McGuane it was Worsfold. Go back and watch the end of the game and clear as day you can see it. And if it did happen why did Mick wait a few years to leave...

So no one can say how we should play? It's just easy to say we don't have a game plan when we lose. Or we got out coached.

Yeah but what type of better one?

What game plan should we have?

He is writing down what he is going to say at the break.

What happens if it's a Geelong vs Hawthorn rematch. They play Easter Monday. That would have them play with in a few rounds of each other.

Maybe they are just playing shit. Why is it that whenever a side is going bad there must be something wrong.

Why would they not trust him? We have players come to us because of bucks. Players sign on again knowing he is the coach. We show good signs over preseason but come the season we don't continue that form. I don't believe the players now don't trust him after 4 games. I call bull shit...

He can't kick or handball good enough to be a regular player. But his biggest problem is he panics to much. Presti wasn't the greatest kick and didn't offer a lot of rebound but he never panicked when he got the ball. He handballed it off to a better kick get when he could. Frost seems to keep...

My questions are whoever leaked it to Robbo must know all the clubs results. So if they do , did they past it onto Robbo? If so that's bad because this is all meant to be confidential. If they just gave our results that worst because they are just out to get us. If Robbo did get all the results...

At a pies Bulldogs game Blake Caracella kicked a goal to which a dogs supporter yelled out" that's all your good for kicking goals".