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Martin was on around $350k a year for the last few years of his deal, which was heavily front loaded. I imagine that Kennedy could've been on around $500k, which isn't heaps these days (remember when the Swans were paying Mitchell $450k to play in the NEAFL?). Owies and Marchbank were both...

Fair. My inclusion of him was more about him being another best 23 forward, rather than the 3 goals he kicked this year (in only 3 games). He's been a goal a game player in his time with us (52 from 54 games). That's more than Fog has averaged in any one given season. Something Fantasia hasn't...

Between him, Kennedy and Martin, there's over 50 goals we need to make up next year.

Unfortunately, if you go to the WC board thread, it looks like most of the booing might be coming from their side. Hopefully the unwarranted vitriol is restricted to these types of forums and doesn't spill to games and the training track at open sessions. If you break the deals down, they...

No wonder you're struggling with this. If you break the deals down as separate exchanges: Carlton traded 12 and 14 to WC for pick 3 (plus some later pick swaps and Owies as steak knives). WC then sent 14 (from Carlton) to Richomnd for Baker. How else do you think Richmond got 14 and where do...

Some nuffy just rang up and said Kemp and Kennedy for pick 32... :tearsofjoy: :tearsofjoy: :tearsofjoy: :tearsofjoy: :tearsofjoy: :tearsofjoy: :tearsofjoy: :tearsofjoy: :tearsofjoy:

That's because that was NOT the deal! You say to look at it in it's entirety, then ignore pick 14 from the Blues as part of the deal for 3. IT WAS NOT 12 & OWIES FOR 3... WC can still get a good deal for Barrass, then package up 12 and the Barrass pick to try and move up the order if they want...

Why's it disheartening? It shouldn't be. You've picked up a best 22 player from a top 8 team for next to nothing because we've unfortunately squeezed him out, much to the dismay of most supporters. We also don't have 'better options available'. We have potential better options, but none of them...

What do you think the deal was? Forget Owies. Break them down into separate deals... It's basically pick 3 for 12 & 14. Picks 73 and 68 effectively cancel each other out. Then it's Owies for 63. Then it's 14 for Baker. A lot of carry on over nothing.

They turned 3 into 12, Baker and Owies. If they wanted him, why risk Tigers or North jumping in? They just got him for nothing anyway. He was steak knives. He's an instant best 22 player who will barely miss a game and kick 25-35 goals.

Where are you getting this from? Most of us are sad to see him go. Not a star, but our most consistent small the past 2 years. Maybe due to injuries, but 60 goals in 41 games isn't anything to be sneezed at, especially in a top 8 side next to 2x Coleman medalists. I honestly think it was just...

What price? You got him for nothing (if you break the deals down, it's effectively pick 63). If he was on your radar as a potential target, then getting him chucked into this deal as steak knives makes sure that nobody else gets him (if he ended up delisted, does he have to go to ND or PSD and...

6 and 10 for 3 is a bit short on our end (about pick 20). We could throw Kennedy in, but that's still probably a little light, but closer.

The bolded is my concern too in making a move for Houston. If we say that 12 and the rest of this year's picks are off the table, as has been stated, and that GC accepted our offer of F1st and F2nd for 13, then what do we have left to add to 13 for Dan? 13 alone isn't enough. I mean, it...

To be fair to Sammy, Alex didn't use the sarcasm font. How was he to know?

I thought Hewett had a top 3 caliber season. The most annoying thing about him being dropped was that he didn't play VFL for 2 weeks, so couldn't earn his spot back. Flies under the radar our George. Missed out on some Brownlow votes too.

We don't actually know what the full offer was from Carlton. Only that it didn't involve this year's 1st. It would either have been centered around our future 1st, or pick 13 from GC if we were able to make a deal for it. That would then form the basis of our offer for Dan, but not necessarily...

Would've been the top goal kicker at Collingwood this year with his 33 and top 2-4 at just about all other clubs, except Lions and Swans.

This thread has to be the worst p!ssing contest ever. Both sides are just pissing into the wind.

Not sure I've seen anything come directly from Dan. It's hard to know what's coming through his official channels (himself, his agent, or the club) and what's being made up by journos trying to fill air space and column inches, or through 2nd or 3rd hand sources, but I did read that he wanted a...

Probably nothing to be honest. I think we've thrown our best offer on the table straight up. I'm sure most teams would love a player like Dan, and we're no different, but we haven't courted him and his position isn't one we need to fill. The one thing we don't want to do is get caught up in a...

He has his limitations, but 60 goals in the last 2 seasons, over 41 games, while playing next to 2 Coleman medalists is a decent return for a player who was drafted as a cat B rookie. Certainly doesn't hold a lot of trade value and a pick in the high 40s would be a reasonable return. Will never...

Reasonable, but seems light on for GC. They get rid of 13 and Lukosius for what will likely be a 1st round downgrade, Noble and 39.

13 and Richards is light on for Houston. Would need probably a 2nd rounder thrown in. Richards' value wouldn't be much different from his original draft position (48).

While I was looking forward to some change, particularly around the tactical side of things, I also don't have a problem with no change, as long as they have identified the areas of weakness and have a plan to address it. One thing's for sure, we need to get better at team selection (dropping...

Who are you and what have you done with Fadge? :tearsofjoy: :tearsofjoy:

Point of difference? We've moved on Marchbank, who was always injured. Akuei, who never really got going. No official announcement yet, but likely to move on Sam Durdin, who could hardly get on the ground. Then we have the possibility that Kemp will play forward more next year, as a 3rd tall and...

Hasn't Matt Carroll already been delisted?

I'd take Naughton... as a defender to play next to Weiters. Allows Kemp to stay forward and Gov to play as a loose interceptor.

Ashcroft is an awesome player. I loved the way he spoke getting the Norm. Heard his brother Levi on triple m the other day with JB and Bill and he was so well spoken and humble that I was an instant fan, then hearing Will speak after the GF made me an instant fan of him. Great kids. Having said...