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That was Troy Pannell. He should have never been allowed to umpire any Bulldogs game. And I thought it was 18-0.

That aged well.

What are you complaining about - we gave him back eventually?

Adelaide v West Coast

Be quiet. Grownups are discussing teams that deserved to play finals this year.

Melbourne +3 v Carlton Port Adelaide +3 v GWS 0/2, 149/213. Since the computer didn't think there was much in it, I don't feel badly about this. 1. GWS 19.28 (+1) 2. Brisbane 15.24 (-1) 3. Collingwood 13.7 4. (Melbourne 13.15) 5. Carlton 11.74 (+1) 6. (Adelaide 10.32) (-1) 7. (Sydney 7.69) 8...

Collingwood +1 v Melbourne Carlton +9 v Sydney St Kilda v GWS +3 Brisbane +15 v Port Adelaide 4/4, 149/211 1. Brisbane 16.79 (+2) 2. GWS 16.21 3. Collingwood 15.2 (-2) 4. Melbourne 13.64 5. (Adelaide 11.19) 6. Carlton 10.76 7. (Sydney 8.18) (+1) 8. Port Adelaide 7.52 (-1) Melbourne +3 v...

Adelaide v Bulldogs, 1997

Essendon v Collingwood +30 Hawthorn +11 v Fremantle North Melbourne v Gold Coast +24 Brisbane +16 v St Kilda Geelong +3 v Western Bulldogs West Coast v Adelaide +39 Port Adelaide +31 v Richmond Sydney +3 v Melbourne (assuming an umpiring howler that gifts them the win) Carlton +11 v GWS 4/9...

How many games did they play outside their home state? Was it more than the eight non-Victorian teams?

Having just seen an article doing the sums, apparently Collingwood had the toughest draw, but Adelaide had (by a substantial margin) the toughest draw relative to expectancy. The easiest draws relative to expectancy were Fremantle and Sydney.

You must know that’s complete bullshit.

"Something they have no control over". OK, what's missing is the Sydney chairman saying "give the four points to Adelaide. They deserve it." Because Sydney can definitely control that.

What of Adelaide's opportunity? Essentially, the game has been gifted to the team that should have been behind.

How are things at the cheat end of the ladder?

Sydney are looking very much like a fake, undeserving finalist. Maybe someone should do something about that.

Collingwood +9 v Brisbane Richmond +17 v North Melbourne Gold Coast v Carlton +10 GWS +24 v Essendon St Kilda v Geelong +10 Adelaide +17 v Sydney Western Bulldogs +67 v West Coast Melbourne +17 v Hawthorn Fremantle v Port Adelaide +1 5/9, 141/198 1. Carlton 16.49 2. Brisbane 15.59 (+3) 3...

An on-field mistake by the goal umpire should NEVER happen. He has the ability to refer if he isn't 200% sure. If he's 200% sure but still wrong, he doesn't deserve to appear on the field again.

Frankly, the one thing that's important is to GET IT RIGHT. I don't care if the match is decided the following Thursday, as long as it's decided correctly. Goal umpire errors on the field should NEVER happen. NEVER. If they're not 100% they review it. If they think they're 100% and they're...

Geelong 1993?

What we do know is that it makes no sense to award Sydney a win on that assumption. All we know for certain is that Sydney deserved to be behind with 78 seconds to play.

Except, you're demanding a result based on the hypothetical possibility of Sydney scoring another goal.

An Adelaide win would be pleasing in another way too - we could quote back to every Sydney fan who told us to suck it up.

Except, if the goal had been at the death it would have been readjudicated. What we have is a match that was gifted to the rightfully losing team, because of those 78 seconds in which they didn't score a goal. If you regard this result as something to celebrate, the rightfully losing team is...

If the goal is correctly given, and a hurricane causes the field to be evacuated, it would just be scored as an Adelaide win. What we have at the moment is the match has been adjudicated as a win for Sydney on the assumption that a team that hasn’t goaled in about 35 minutes is going to find...

Umpires on the field have to make quick decisions, and the play can progress quickly. Some level of error is inevitable. However, goal umpires have the ability to refer decisions that they're not sure about. When one team is celebrating a goal and the umpire calls a point without having it...

There's only one fix that is meaningful. Four points.

How much do you think playing finals is worth? That's the bare minimum for just compensation.

If we're talking odds, then The odds are that Adelaide would be playing finals if the umpire had DONE HIS ****ING JOB.

Geelong and the Bulldogs both losing is definitely "unlikely".