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Sort of pointless. Doesn't diminish the 3 flags we just one one iota. Brisbane's flag didn't mean much, or Collingwood's from a few years back?

And if Geelong had beaten Richmond in 2020 would it still be weak. It's sort of irrelevant if it is a weak era or not, you can only play the sides around, which makes the other including Geelong, weaker than Richmond.

First year in the VFL. He was injured in his second season and did not play VFL until R.11, debuted late in year, and played 18 games last season. Not good enough. He was lauded by commentators plenty of times over the year. Easily the best kick at Richmond. There would not be a poster on our...

But it's not that linear. For example Bauer (who might be the player you are using as an example of one good game). Mid season draft who comes in after excellent form in the VFL, plays 5 minutes and does a hammy, season over. Has no preseason due to injury over summer, finally comes in late in...

Pretty sure I said I don't care about your index top 20 thing. For example how would we know what sort of player Gibcus is going to be. Hard to judge a player when they have been injured for two years, but he looked the goods in his first season. You have said just recently that we have...

Happens regularly. Father son, academies. Sort of subjective who is the best player, or who turns out the best. Pretty much guaranteed these days you will get a top line player.

How have we deliberately foregone competitiveness. It wasn't us who pushed them out the door, they wanted to leave. Okay Shai, no you stay and play for Richmond and your young family can see you when you play in Perth. Or no to his partner, you have to stay and raise your children away from...

Nothing wrong with his skill level, he can kick mark and handball well enough, he just doesn't have natural football nous or instincts. When it all goes well for him he can be exciting, when it doesn't he isn't, which seems to be his trajectory. If they keep him it will only be because we are...

We are not in total agreement. You have the fantastic ability to be able to see the future of players who are just getting started, I do not. I don't care about you index of equivalent pick, it's a very narrow definition of a player. Gibcus for one is certainly not a bust other than he copped...

You don't keep players that have helped bring you premierships and want to refresh their careers, that can hurt you. Thanks for everything and no hard feelings.

None, Gibcus might have and we hopefully will find out this year. Our 18 - 20 drafts were poor. Recently better. Brown is doing fine and could raise to become a very good player, again hard to judge after o few games. Campbell was impressive, again first year player. Green surprised. Others...

Our first round draft picks in 2018 and '19 were picks 17 and 21, so no guarantees but they have not worked out. Every club has these, just two drafts in a row has hurt. In 2020 our first draft pick was Sampson Ryan at 40 (speculative ruck pick). In 2022 it was Smith pick 49. '21 Gibcus looked...

How many players has he crippled, thought I'd get in first.

Not a bust at all. Gibcus played 17 games in his first year and was very good, iinjury. Brown (17) has had his fair share of injuries but finally got going this year and played 18 games in effectively his first season (debuted r.23 the previous year). He is an exceptional kick and looks good...

Succinct. I get a bit wordy.

Some good points especially if chasing a big name, there's always on or two.

Why. I can see reserving one perhaps, or bundling a couple to get a better pick on draft night, but this is the best draft in years and we need quality picks now. We are odds on to get the no.1 pick again next year. If you get to pick 6 or 7 and you see a player that you really rate (pick...

So you agree that trading out your most important player and then not using that pick but banking it is good logic. The idea when you start a footy season is you have your best players on the park, not on some kid who might get on the park in 2026. To make it worse, they all summised that pick...

Case in point, those serious journo's were advocating Richmond adding Lynch to player exodus this drafting period, and then saying Richmond should not use all their draft picks this year and hold some into next year. What logic is that.

In a normal year when you get one or two early picks I might be taking my earlier scenario, but I guess as we will use between 6- 8 pics, we should be covering our bases. I think Bauer might surprise. He took 5 contested marks on Sicily and showed a bit of Jack Riewoldt in that he can mark...

I was thinking that a tall forward was right at the top of our list and could go early and take the best available. None of them scream take me from what I have seen. We have Fawcett, Lefau, Bauer and Gray or our list, all basically unknown how good they will be. Lefau was impressive and looks...

That's not long in the scheme of things.

Of course some are on the decline due to age, but can still good players if on the park together. Any yes a lot is dependant on injuries, but surely we are due a bit of luck. At the same time others are on the rise and played good football last year. You can see in your side what happens when...

No he hasn't. I don't read that Yze thread because what's the point, those threads are usually for the toxic posters, but in general we realised our plight last year. Injuries killed us. We played a couple of games with 3 fit players in the VFL. Most of the season we had about 6-8. 5 knee...

You do realise North have won 8 games in 3 years. The mouse that roared.

Agree with much of this, that is why we needed to get as many first round picks in as possible. Our midfield is slow but can find the ball, our outside speed has been a problem, nobody to give it too bar Dan Rioli.... But Ralphsmith, Campbell, Rioli Jnr, Smith, Green and a few others are quick...

Because Lynch, Prestia, Vlastuin, Nankervis, Taranto, Short, Balta, Gibcus, Broad are all crap and most of them are lucky to win one flag much less 3.

Agree about our midfield, our Achilles heel, we had a few, last year. Ross is a big bodied mid who has played good football on the wing but was put back into his rightful spot in the middle and was starting to play good football when, out for season. McAuliffe is young but 88kg hard nut with...

Why. Lynch is only 32 and is fully fit and about to do his first preseason in 3 years. Prestia finished off the season well, so he is due, but yes you cross your fingers and toes.

You might not have noticed we finished bottom of the ladder. A bit of respect you have 7 dual or triple premiership players in there who are all playing good football or missed through injury. Lynch, Gibcus and Clarke played 3 between them due to injury. Ross, Taranto, Hopper, Prestia missed...