Traded #10: Aaron Francis - Traded to Sydney w. Pick 42 + Future fourth rounder for Pick 37. Thanks Frang!

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Contract Status: Out of contract 2022
Injury Status: n/a

My Boy Draft 2022: Pick 29, Mr Bultitude
 
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efcboy said:
Hopefully they've got him doing an aerobic training block to improve his tank without playing so he's not too sore etc to do it. Clearly needs some conditioning- should send him to Flemington and make him go round the water walker!
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Except there is no better conditioning than playing.
 

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efcboy said:
It hasn't helped Francis - he's blown up by quarter time. Needs some aerobic training without the hits and bumps of a game to improve that before coming back for mine.
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It has helped him, he is fitter than last year, and is fitter than the end of pre-season, and he will continue to get fitter with further game time.
Outside of injury, if he's been pulled out, it's to reduce his load.
 
efcboy said:
It hasn't helped Francis - he's blown up by quarter time. Needs some aerobic training without the hits and bumps of a game to improve that before coming back for mine.
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His best performance so far was when he was thrown into the midfield in the 3rd quarter against Sandringham. He seemed to go OK then.

I know he needs to improve his tank/fitness but I think people exaggerate way too much.

In his 2 senior games this season he has spent 82% TOG which is similar to Daniher, Hooker, Stewart and McKernan.

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Killer_Mike said:
Those guys are doing a lot more work than Francis! Can't compare.


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No doubt about that at all. My point is everyone bangs on about Francis always blows up by quarter time. It is simply not true.

He lacks the tank/fitness levels required to enable him to go at the required intensity throughout a game, from qtr one to qtr 4.



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Laverde2Smack said:
No doubt about that at all. My point is everyone bangs on about Francis always blows up by quarter time. It is simply not true.

He lacks the tank/fitness levels required to enable him to go at the required intensity throughout a game, from qtr one to qtr 4.



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He may have been on the ground but without checking I would think his first quarter stats are way better than 2nd,3rd,4th particularly at afl level. In my mind he has competed well in a first quarter and then largely been unsighted after quarter time.
 
How can he be so unfit? I just don't get it, has everything he needs at his fingertips. Only thing I can think of is poor diet away from the footy club or lack of effort and unwillingness to work hard.

Blokes got so much talent.
 
freddy mercury said:
How can he be so unfit? I just don't get it, has everything he needs at his fingertips. Only thing I can think of is poor diet away from the footy club or lack of effort and unwillingness to work hard.

Blokes got so much talent.
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He suffered a calf injury last year and had a setback with that meaning he missed a huge chunk of aerobic training. And in pre-season this year he again got injured and missed training blocks. He hasn't had a good run at it thus far hence maybe the club has decided to give him a mini pre-season now? Will wait to hear why he isn't playing this week but at the moment hoping he isn't injured again and that he's out to build his fitness.
 
Towno78 said:
It has helped him, he is fitter than last year, and is fitter than the end of pre-season, and he will continue to get fitter with further game time.
Outside of injury, if he's been pulled out, it's to reduce his load.
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He's broken down on multiple occasions since joining the club - lacking fitness may be a contributor to those injuries in matches.
 
freddy mercury said:
How can he be so unfit? I just don't get it, has everything he needs at his fingertips. Only thing I can think of is poor diet away from the footy club or lack of effort and unwillingness to work hard.

Blokes got so much talent.
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Everyone has a different fitness base and respond to endurance training in a different manner. There would be certain players across the league that would have or nearly have the endurance to run out an AFL game without any pre-season. There are other players who need to work hard over a number of seasons before their fitness gets to a sufficient level; these are often the players that can lose a great deal of conditioning during an injury layoff or off-season.

Francis isn't a natural endurance athlete so he likely has a pretty low natural fitness base. That's not necessarily a concern - lots of players would fit into that category. What is a concern is that he may also be a slow responder to endurance training. This means that he gains fitness at a relatively slow pace. Low fitness base / slow responder is a pretty bad combination for a sport such as AFL so I'm really hoping that his current fitness level is more a product of injuries disrupting the continuity of his training.

I'm optimistic about Francis as a player - though I think some of the superlatives directed his way have been a little much - but the reality is he will require at least another pre-season before he can consistently get through games at AFL level and another two pre-seasons before he can really take advantage of his football ability.
 

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With Francis' pick assuming we were lining up a tall all along we had the choice of Franga, Hipwood, Weideman, Curnow or McKay...

None of the above have set the world on fire, (although Curnow and Hip have shown signs). Clearly the young bigs simply need more time to develop before being effective players at AFL level... still think we picked the right guy
 
efcboy said:
He's broken down on multiple occasions since joining the club - lacking fitness may be a contributor to those injuries in matches.
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Of course it is a contributing factor, what's your point ?
You want him to be AFL fit now. He's not. He won't be this year. He'll probably only be partly there next year. But to say what he's doing now "isn't helping" is complete junk.
There is no magic wand, fairy dust or fast forward button. He needs to go through a process and he's going through it. Patience.
 
FlyingV said:
With Francis' pick assuming we were lining up a tall all along we had the choice of Franga, Hipwood, Weideman, Curnow or McKay...

None of the above have set the world on fire, (although Curnow and Hip have shown signs). Clearly the young bigs simply need more time to develop before being effective players at AFL level... still think we picked the right guy
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Melbourne swapped picks with GC to move from the pick after our two picks to before them and took Oliver. But to be honest I studdied the u18 form that year and was hoping for one of Francis or Parish and never thought we would get both. It was like xmas for me. Francis is a slow burn but shows he class already.
 
Towno78 said:
Of course it is a contributing factor, what's your point ?
You want him to be AFL fit now. He's not. He won't be this year. He'll probably only be partly there next year. But to say what he's doing now "isn't helping" is complete junk.
There is no magic wand, fairy dust or fast forward button. He needs to go through a process and he's going through it. Patience.
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I didn't make any of the above statements you have suggested. It was you who suggested there was no better way to gain fitness than playing in matches. For Francis I refuted this as playing in matches unfit has resulted in him getting injured and he hasn't improved. I've suggested that the club might give him some weeks of aerobic training without match play to improve him and would back them in doing so - you argued that playing matches would be better. I disagree and it appears the club may as well given he is not named to play this week.
 
Patience is key. His skill set and his game smarts are not an issue, and they are much harder to fix than his aerobic capacity. Whether he needs a treadmill or a rocket up his ass, the club will provide.
 
efcboy said:
I didn't make any of the above statements you have suggested. It was you who suggested there was no better way to gain fitness than playing in matches. For Francis I refuted this as playing in matches unfit has resulted in him getting injured and he hasn't improved. I've suggested that the club might give him some weeks of aerobic training without match play to improve him and would back them in doing so - you argued that playing matches would be better. I disagree and it appears the club may as well given he is not named to play this week.
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I quoted you for one statement, that you said playing in matches hasn't helped him.
And yes, you did make that statement:
efcboy said:
It hasn't helped Francis - he's blown up by quarter time.
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It's a very long bow to draw to say Francis not playing this week is the club agreeing with you that we need to pull him out of games and just do a cardio conditioning block. Not playing 1 week for load management (which they have been doing regularly) is very different to not playing for a period of time for a conditioning block.
 
chogby said:
I think the club are simply shuffling between Langford, Francis and Stewart to see who's the best fit.
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At this moment in time I'd prefer Stewart forward, Langford in the midfield and Francis in the seconds down back.
 

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Traded #10: Aaron Francis - Traded to Sydney w. Pick 42 + Future fourth rounder for Pick 37. Thanks Frang!

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