Delisted #10: Sam Weideman - Delisted. Thanks for your efforts, Sam! 18/10

[VelvetSledge]

Contract Status: Out of contract 2025
My Boy Draft 2024: Pick 36, Milanista28

 

[yodellinhank]

It’s the vibe it’s creating. You would have to admit that he has been below par for most of the season. He’s barely touched it the last two months but seems under zero pressure to hold his spot. Have you played football? If supporters are questioning it, you can guarantee players are questioning it.

Which players?

 

[windyhill]

Which players?

Baldwin.

 

[yodellinhank]

Baldwin.

Maybe if he wasn't being played in defence and grew another 3-4 inches he'd have a better case for selection, and you could've offered his name straight up rather than after 3 or so prompts?

 

[TheGrizz]

Baldwin.

So you want to play the 193cm bloke who has played KPD all year as a ruck/fwd at AFL level.

Right... k.

 

[Vander18]

I understand your logic, I just don't think changing what would be our entire forward structure for 10mins a quarter for the sake of a guy who has never played at AFL level before (Voss) is a smart idea vs Geelong (at Geelong).

I'm all for dropping him for Bryan in a week's time, especially considering how little Weideman gives us forward.
But this week I think it is worth keeping him in to compete in the ruck and keep Wright forward - which will have a bigger impact on our chance to win than whatever output Voss gives us over Weideman.

Huge game - and we take in a bloke who won’t compete. Play Voss, play Baldwin, play Cox, play Tsatas and go small….. Anything!

This is the pointy end of the season, we are playing mini finals. In these games guys who wont compete kill you.

Let’s see how it goes. Hopefully it’s his 1 in 10 week to do something.

 

[BrunoV]

This is the problem - it’s now an issue of selection integrity.

You can talk about playing a role but but we have here a bloke who can’t get near the footy and, more importantly, isn’t competing.

Have loved most of what Scott’s done but I’ll take the bloke who competes even if it means playing a role he’s unsuited to and hasn’t been playing at VFL level. I’d play all of Cox, Voss and Baldwin ahead Weid right now.

Role playing is real, obviously.

But players also know when they are being sold bullshit.

However, it rarely seems to materialise as genuine list wide discontent. I assume that's because not many players actually get frozen out of the team.

 

[ghostdog]

Maybe if he wasn't being played in defence and grew another 3-4 inches he'd have a better case for selection, and you could've offered his name straight up rather than after 3 or so prompts?

Or you could have attempted to read between the lines.

 

[ghostdog]

So you want to play the 193cm bloke who has played KPD all year as a ruck/fwd at AFL level.

Right... k.

I think the suggestion was that guys like Baldwin, who can play forward, would be rightfully anticipating a call up. The ruck issue is what rightfully rules him out.

 

[Vander18]

So you want to play the 193cm bloke who has played KPD all year as a ruck/fwd at AFL level.

Right... k.

Is that any worse than playing the bloke who has given nothing for the best part of 2 months in what amounts to a mini-final?

 

[yodellinhank]

Or you could have attempted to read between the lines.

I don't want to go putting words in people's mouths.

Reading between the lines people are pissy because they want Weideman to be doing more. But when it's all assessed there isn't any selection pressure on him is because there isn't anyone fit and capable of playing the role he is. So he stays in, and people stay pissy.

 

[andleanback]

How many last chances ? I’ve lost count.

He’s playing out of necessity atm. It also helps that the side is playing well ( port and Adelaide). If the side was playing poorly the team structure would change.

 

[yodellinhank]

I think the suggestion was that guys like Baldwin, who can play forward, would be rightfully anticipating a call up. The ruck issue is what rightfully rules him out.

They moved Baldwin away from playing forward. He isn't capable as capable as Weideman of giving a contest in the air. Against the Geelong backline it would be suicide.

 

[faible]

They moved Baldwin away from playing forward. He isn't capable as capable as Weideman of giving a contest in the air. Against the Geelong backline it would be suicide.

Also FWIW with Ridley unlikely this week you'd think Baldwin is a fair chance for a call-up down back.

 

[ghostdog]

They moved Baldwin away from playing forward. He isn't capable as capable as Weideman of giving a contest in the air. Against the Geelong backline it would be suicide.

I don't disagree because we're stuck between a rock and a hard place. I'd rather see Laverde forward and Baldwin back in these circumstances, but Lav probably can't ruck and I don't want Wright doing it, so...

 

[jannissary]

Also FWIW with Ridley unlikely this week you'd think Baldwin is a fair chance for a call-up down back.

probably at this stage, i wouldn't be against it either tbh, he looked good earlier this year iirc

 

[ghostdog]

I don't want to go putting words in people's mouths.

Reading between the lines people are pissy because they want Weideman to be doing more. But when it's all assessed there isn't any selection pressure on him is because there isn't anyone fit and capable of playing the role he is. So he stays in, and people stay pissy.

You don't mind being deliberately obtuse instead just having a chat though, do you.

 

[windyhill]

Maybe if he wasn't being played in defence and grew another 3-4 inches he'd have a better case for selection, and you could've offered his name straight up rather than after 3 or so prompts?

So you want to play the 193cm bloke who has played KPD all year as a ruck/fwd at AFL level.

Right... k.

The bloke is devoid of any confidence, shuffle the pack, anything.

 

[TheGrizz]

Is that any worse than playing the bloke who has given nothing for the best part of 2 months in what amounts to a mini-final?

Yes, because structurally you keep your most valuable forward asset (Wright) forward all game and don't lead a young player (Baldwin) to the slaughter to play a position he has - in all likelihood - never played before in said mini final.

Not to mention I find it incredibly unlikely that either Voss or Baldwin would contribute more as a ruck/forward than Weideman agains t Geelong in Geelong.

If Draper or Phillips or Hunter or Stewart were available, I would agree re Weideman. Alas they are not.

 

[ant555]

Is that any worse than playing the bloke who has given nothing for the best part of 2 months in what amounts to a mini-final?

They in year one of the game plan. That is the difference between now and say two years time . Our blokes have not been great at buying into game plans so they are not going to change the set up mid season. It is the long game they are playing.
They are where they are now because they have stuck to the plan .

 

[frodos gardener]

Sam would probably be experiencing some imposter syndrome for quite a few years. I like Brad’s approach because one way or another he (Brad) gets to find out whether or not Sam just needs to find that real inner belief. If he does, great! If he doesn’t, we’ll at least we know for sure it wasn’t for lack of opportunity, stability and support.

 

[Zephyr Effekt]

Playing like a guy who knows his spot in the side is safe for the short-term while his spot on the list is uncertain for the long-term.

 

[Alberto_Magnifico]

Playing like a guy who knows his spot in the side is safe for the short-term while his spot on the list is uncertain for the long-term.

So pretty much how half the list played under Worsfold! Don't miss that at all.

 

[wichidi]

Ya’ll realize it’s a team sport right? The sum of the parts (eg the team and structure) is more important than the individual? I get that he is out of form, but dropping the individual would hurt the team for all the reasons consistently posted by others in this thread. This thread feels like a broken record at times

 

[Duckworth]

Ya’ll realize it’s a team sport right? The sum of the parts (eg the team and structure) is more important than the individual? I get that he is out of form, but dropping the individual would hurt the team for all the reasons consistently posted by others in this thread. This thread feels like a broken record at times

Being in the team for structure and because all other players (who could play that position) are injured isn't reason enough to placate the fanbase watching the game. A player who puts in minimal effort, misses easy set shots and gets in the way of other marking forwards is justifiably attracting criticism.
I'm not saying he will be dropped because I doubt he will be, I'm just saying I get where the frustration comes from. But hey, I'm a grumpy person who is also annoyed by your use of Americanisms. Also, Keystone's refusal to use an apostrophe.

 

[MiguelM]

Ya’ll realize it’s a team sport right? The sum of the parts (eg the team and structure) is more important than the individual? I get that he is out of form, but dropping the individual would hurt the team for all the reasons consistently posted by others in this thread. This thread feels like a broken record at times

Don't go to the Parish thread then!