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Player Watch #12: David Astbury - Has decided to retire
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Very underrated footballer. Great intercept mark and smart decision maker. Limited in his kicking ability, but its obvious that he recognises this with the amount of handballs he has been giving off to Short in recent weeks.
He's very sound defensively, and he's a strong mark. As long as he doesn't play on in the defensive 50 he is safe. His instructions when he has the ball should be to hands off to a free runner, or kick long down the line. He is absolutely not the person who should be trying to pinpoint passes, or switching, or going into the corridor.
Love when he gives off to Short, such a beautiful kick of the footy and the more we can get into his hands the better.
Is now our Number One defensive/accountable defender. He allows Rance to play off his direct opponent or loose in defense. Is still a suspect with his decision making and his confidence with his disposals, but he, Grimes and Rance have formed a extremely strong tall defense for us.
no it doesnt, afl players need something outside of footy 24/7, do you really think rance is the type of guy to focus on footy 24/7. its better for him to have other interests outside of it, its the way he is, ie; his school etc
about his form, he has been back to his best the last month, first few weeks were shaky
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Much like any kpd.
hmmmm, glad we kept him..
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Funny part about that post you quoted of TI is that he thought Elton could cover Astbury if we moved Astbury on.
values his opinion way to highly and proven wrong many many times.Onto Astbury though, definitely a much improved player, defensively is very good, frees up Rance quite a bit and they seem to have a good understanding of each other, his disposal has cleaned up a lot and hits target more often then not, very happy we kept Astbury even after all the knee issues.
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Hahaha if I pulled up most of the so called brightsiders posts up I would be miles in front considering they back every player in from Relton right up to Yarran. Thanks for the hit and giggles boys
as with their list clogging attitude I can see why we haven't won a final for 16 years. Seriously I get one or two blokes wrong and the daggers come out , whereas they've backed in the 50-60 blokes that have been moved on in this DH era . I'm well in front boys and I will always value my opinion highly over the dreamers on here bc at least I have an opinion. Thanks for the laughs as you guys keep dreaming about guys like TV Miller Azza Nahas Moore Chaplin AMaric OHanlon Biscuits Yarran and friends bc with so much dick kissing you're bound to get a couple right one day.
PS. Didn't the club offer Astbury up for trade ? Or I'm dreaming?
as with their list clogging attitude I can see why we haven't won a final for 16 years. Seriously I get one or two blokes wrong and the daggers come out , whereas they've backed in the 50-60 blokes that have been moved on in this DH era . I'm well in front boys and I will always value my opinion highly over the dreamers on here bc at least I have an opinion. Thanks for the laughs as you guys keep dreaming about guys like TV Miller Azza Nahas Moore Chaplin AMaric OHanlon Biscuits Yarran and friends bc with so much dick kissing you're bound to get a couple right one day.
PS. Didn't the club offer Astbury up for trade ? Or I'm dreaming?
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Pulling out old posts to make your point that you got one right in about 50 calls. That puts you on 2% and me on 98%. Thank god for blokes like you as you give me an extra boost of intelligence and this is no disrespect to yours.
Was this the time the club offered him up for trade? Why would they do that ? Seriously no offence , but your level of maturity and reasoning leaves a lot to be desired.Even Blair has got more right calls in eight years than you.
I made three correct calls in the year we picked up Yarran Townsend and Moore while you were backing them in.
You're running at a lower rate than a broken clock and if you had been smart enough to do your homework
I would have been right on Astbury had Dan and Blair been competent enough to get the trade done with Brisbane. Thank our lucky stars it didn't happen and I was wrong for the rare times in 16 years and you jagged one not by nous , but by loyalty by association. With your anaerobic like behaviour it allows me to still breathe oxygen and I thank you for it.
Also when you're able to come up with an actual self constructed opinion I may actually start to have a bit of time and respect for your posting bc ATM you're like a disciplined white sheep .
Eventually even a dead horse will get something right if they tow the standard company line. Now cut the stupidity out and have some pride and self respect rather than lowering yourself with immature posts that lack investigation and attention to detail. When are you going to learn to comment on football issues rather than playing the man?
Anymore immature and personal posts directed at me or others I will report bc you're an embarrassment to the place .
Here are the names you've backed in over DH time in a recent article.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...k/news-story/d80cd0fea065b51cf76d0d69eff6ef2c
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NO mate as the club wanted him gone and it was by arse and luck he's still with us.Great effort by Dave though.I'm still well ahead of the rfc fanbois club
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Richmond trade report: Every player who has arrived and departed Tigers under Damien Hardwick
Al Paton,
Herald Sun
31 May 2017
AFTER eight years of some hits and plenty of misses, has Richmond finally cracked the trade code?
The Tigers are shaping as the biggest winner from last year’s trade period with Toby Nankervis one of the biggest trade steals in recent history.
Squeezed out by Kurt Tippett, Callum Sinclair and Sam Naismith at Sydney, “Nank” has them all covered after heading to Punt Rd for pick 46 in a deal that didn’t get a lot of attention at the time.
Deals for Dion Prestia and Josh Caddy received a lot more press and also look like wins.
Although both players have shown their best only in patches, they have had a huge impact on the Tigers this year by easing the load on skipper Trent Cotchin — who is having his best season since his 2012 Brownlow year as a result — and freeing up Dustin Martin to play almost entirely in the forward half of the ground, with devastating results.
On the flip side, the two players Richmond let go — Ty Vickery and Brett Deledio — haven’t burnt them at all (yet), playing a combined five games.
Richmond’s reputation for failed trades was shaped by some big flops in the early 2000s headlined by giving the Western Bulldogs pick 19 for Jordan McMahon, who never fired as a Tiger. Meanwhile, the Dogs used that pick on a promising kid named Callan Ward — and when he was poached by GWS, the compensation pick was used to recruit Jack Macrae. Ouch.
But after running the rule over Collingwood’s trades during Nathan Buckley’s tenure, we are focusing here on the deals since Damien Hardwick took over as coach at the end of 2009.
In an era of compromised drafts, Richmond tried to be creative at the trade table and also used picks late in the national draft and in the rookie and pre-season drafts to recruit cast-offs like Nathan Gordon, Ricky Petterd, Sam Lonergan, Orren Stephenson, Todd Banfield, Matt Thomas and Addam Maric. All are gone while the Tigers passed on the chance to pluck a late gem from the junior talent pool.
To be fair, Bachar Houli and Dylan Grimes were both pre-season draft picks. And Jack Riewoldt wouldn’t complain about having Brad Miller up forward right now.
But how do the Tiger trades of the past eight years look when placed under the microscope in 2017? We rate every arrival and departure of the Hardwick era.
Troy Chaplin loved this goal against his former side. Picture: Getty Images
ARRIVALS
Mitch Farmer
Hardwick’s first trade was for a player in his own image — a tough Port Adelaide back pocket. Unfortunately he wasn’t good enough for AFL and was gone after two seasons (28 games). In a swap for Jay Schulz, the Tigers lost this one.
Shaun Grigg
Grigg cops it from Tiger fans sometimes and can kick a helicopter but he has been a solid contributor — and occasionally much better than that — for seven seasons (missing fewer than 10 games in that time). Andrew Collins — who joined the Blues in a straight swap — played just 11 matches for Carlton. Big win.
Ivan Maric
Another win. Undersized ruckman who battled to get a game at his former club but a super competitor whose value went far beyond his centre bounce work at Tigerland. Sound familiar? Great value for the pick 37 Richmond gave Adelaide.
Steven Morris
Arrived via rules that allowed GWS to trade pre-listed players before their first season. Morris and pick 14 were swapped for pick 15 so the move cost effectively nothing and Morris has been a Hardwick favourite for his single-minded attack on the ball. But has always been on the edge of the best 22 and has played just one game this year after returning from a knee injury.
Aaron Edwards
High-flying forward arrived from North Melbourne in exchange for a late pick and played a handful of very good games in 2013. But he will be remembered for missing an easy shot just after halftime in the elimination final which left the door open for a barnstorming Carlton comeback. Not that Tiger fans are bitter or anything.
Chris Knights
Showed glimpses of his huge talent after joining the Tigers as a free agent but pulled the pin on an injury-cursed career in 2015 after just six games in black and yellow. Was always a big risk but didn’t cost anything except a spot on the list.
Troy Chaplin
Big tick. Targeted as soon as free agency was introduced and formed a great partnership with Alex Rance in the key defensive posts from 2013-15, with Richmond playing finals in each of those seasons. End came quickly last year.
Shaun Hampson
After 2013 Richmond realised Ivan Maric needed help and gave up a second-round pick to get Hampson from Carlton. But his career has been plagued by injuries and he and Maric never worked in the same team. Great tap ruckman who doesn’t offer much else. Still on the list but out with a long-term back injury. Fail.
Taylor Hunt
Delisted free agent has added 41 games at Richmond — the club be barracked for as a kid — after starting his career at Geelong. But has always been a role player and has fallen well outside the best 22 this year, playing just one game.
Chris Yarran
Oh dear. Complete bust who quit without playing a game after crossing from Carlton. Playing footy again in WA as he battles personal issues. At least the Tigers held their nerve and gave up pick 19 for him and not pick 12, which Carlton demanded (the Blues eventually used the pick on David Cuningham while the Tigers picked Daniel Rioli).
Jacob Townsend
Richmond gave GWS a fourth-round draft pick for Townsend, who played 38 games in four years at the Giants. He was supposed to be the tough inside midfielder to support Cotchin and Martin but has proven so far to be a good VFL player who struggles at the top level, with pace and kicking a concern. Played in three of the first five rounds last year but just once after that for the year and is yet to feature in 2017.
Andrew Moore
Richmond hoped it could extract the potential that led to Moore — the younger brother of former Tiger Kelvin — being selected by Port Adelaide with pick 9 in the 2009 draft. But after being recruited as a free agent he had the same limitations as Townsend and was delisted for a second time after five games for the Tigers.
Josh Caddy
Perhaps realising they had to aim higher, Tiger recruiters pounced late in last year’s trade period on Caddy, another former top-10 pick (No.7 in 2010). He was a good player at Geelong without being elite and his form this year hasn’t changed that assessment, but he has shown glimpses and should be entering his prime at age 24. Hardwick has to decide whether he’s a midfielder or a forward. Will be interesting to track his progress against Brandan Parfitt, the player Geelong picked with the draft selection (26) Richmond handed over for Caddy.
Dion Prestia
At his best Prestia is an elite inside ball-winner, but we haven’t seen a lot of that this year. And his kicking has been generally terrible, perhaps impacted by the knee injury that derailed his pre-season. Tigers need a lot more after parting with pick six in the draft, but at 24 he has plenty of time to live up to expectations.
Toby Nankervis
We saved the best til last. A steal as a swap for pick 46 (which the Swans used on Jack Maibaum) and a key reason for Richmond’s surprise jump up the ladder this season. Not tall for a ruckman at 199cm but his physical approach has won the hearts of Tiger fans and his elite intercept marking has made him a SuperCoach star. Still just 22.
DEPARTURES
Andrew Raines
The son of Tiger great Geoff Raines finished second in the AFL Rising Star Award (behind Danyle Pearce) and in Richmond’s best-and-fairest in 2006, his first full season. But he was unable to match that form in three more years at Richmond before being traded to Brisbane, where he became a handy tagger. Finished his career at Gold Coast but didn’t burn Richmond.
Jay Schulz
The No.12 pick in the 2002 draft teased Tiger fans for seven seasons and it wasn’t a controversial decision to let him go to Port Adelaide. But he settled in the goalsquare at Port and booted 275 goals in 123 games while Richmond struggled to find a reliable second tall forward. Oops.
Andrew Collins
Swapping the brave but small and injury-prone Collins to Carlton for Shaun Grigg was a huge win.
Mitch Morton
Morton arrived at the Tigers in a trade with West Coast in 2007 and was an inconsistent and occasionally brilliant performer before leaving for Sydney in exchange for pick 79 at the end of 2011. Morton played just 12 games for the Swans but one of them was the 2012 premiership.
Angus Graham
Richmond swapped the ruckman and pick 50 to Adelaide in exchange for pick 40 at the end of 2011. Graham didn’t play another AFL game and the player Richmond selected with that pick — Matt McDonough — managed 10 before being delisted. So, a win?
Matt White
White was a lifelong Tiger fan but left to join Port Adelaide as a free agent after a contract dispute. Has been a handy pick-up for the Power but has struggled to break into the team this year. The Tigers didn’t get any compensation from the AFL for his departure.
Ty Vickery (free agent)
Despite his struggles, Vickery would be getting a game at Richmond right now ahead of Todd Elton and Ivan Soldo. If the Tigers had known Ben Griffiths would run into more concussion issues they might have thought twice about letting Vickery join the Hawks as a free agent. But his lucrative two-year deal resulted in a second-round compensation pick, which Richmond used on Shai Bolton. Vickery, meanwhile, has played five games and kicked two goals as a Hawk.
Brett Deledio
Two-time best-and-fairest winner, twice All-Australian, Rising Star winner and out-and-out gun — no Tiger fan wanted to part ways with Lids. But after 12 years of dedicated service he earnt the right to finish his career with a shot at a flag, and the Tigers extracted a good deal for the 30-year-old in the form of Geelong’s first-round draft pick at the end of this year. And as Deledio battles calf issues Richmond looks well ahead on the deal — although if the former Tiger debuts in Round 22 and blitzes September the Giants will be pretty happy.
Note: Luke McGuane, Tom Derickx and Robin Nahas joined other clubs as delisted free agents after being cut by the Tigers. Nahas played 32 games for North Melbourne but McGuane managed just seven for Brisbane and Derickx (13 games for Sydney) is better known for his music project Kayex.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...k/news-story/d80cd0fea065b51cf76d0d69eff6ef2c
Al Paton,
Herald Sun
31 May 2017
AFTER eight years of some hits and plenty of misses, has Richmond finally cracked the trade code?
The Tigers are shaping as the biggest winner from last year’s trade period with Toby Nankervis one of the biggest trade steals in recent history.
Squeezed out by Kurt Tippett, Callum Sinclair and Sam Naismith at Sydney, “Nank” has them all covered after heading to Punt Rd for pick 46 in a deal that didn’t get a lot of attention at the time.
Deals for Dion Prestia and Josh Caddy received a lot more press and also look like wins.
Although both players have shown their best only in patches, they have had a huge impact on the Tigers this year by easing the load on skipper Trent Cotchin — who is having his best season since his 2012 Brownlow year as a result — and freeing up Dustin Martin to play almost entirely in the forward half of the ground, with devastating results.
On the flip side, the two players Richmond let go — Ty Vickery and Brett Deledio — haven’t burnt them at all (yet), playing a combined five games.
Richmond’s reputation for failed trades was shaped by some big flops in the early 2000s headlined by giving the Western Bulldogs pick 19 for Jordan McMahon, who never fired as a Tiger. Meanwhile, the Dogs used that pick on a promising kid named Callan Ward — and when he was poached by GWS, the compensation pick was used to recruit Jack Macrae. Ouch.
But after running the rule over Collingwood’s trades during Nathan Buckley’s tenure, we are focusing here on the deals since Damien Hardwick took over as coach at the end of 2009.
In an era of compromised drafts, Richmond tried to be creative at the trade table and also used picks late in the national draft and in the rookie and pre-season drafts to recruit cast-offs like Nathan Gordon, Ricky Petterd, Sam Lonergan, Orren Stephenson, Todd Banfield, Matt Thomas and Addam Maric. All are gone while the Tigers passed on the chance to pluck a late gem from the junior talent pool.
To be fair, Bachar Houli and Dylan Grimes were both pre-season draft picks. And Jack Riewoldt wouldn’t complain about having Brad Miller up forward right now.
But how do the Tiger trades of the past eight years look when placed under the microscope in 2017? We rate every arrival and departure of the Hardwick era.
Troy Chaplin loved this goal against his former side. Picture: Getty Images
ARRIVALS
Mitch Farmer
Hardwick’s first trade was for a player in his own image — a tough Port Adelaide back pocket. Unfortunately he wasn’t good enough for AFL and was gone after two seasons (28 games). In a swap for Jay Schulz, the Tigers lost this one.
Shaun Grigg
Grigg cops it from Tiger fans sometimes and can kick a helicopter but he has been a solid contributor — and occasionally much better than that — for seven seasons (missing fewer than 10 games in that time). Andrew Collins — who joined the Blues in a straight swap — played just 11 matches for Carlton. Big win.
Ivan Maric
Another win. Undersized ruckman who battled to get a game at his former club but a super competitor whose value went far beyond his centre bounce work at Tigerland. Sound familiar? Great value for the pick 37 Richmond gave Adelaide.
Steven Morris
Arrived via rules that allowed GWS to trade pre-listed players before their first season. Morris and pick 14 were swapped for pick 15 so the move cost effectively nothing and Morris has been a Hardwick favourite for his single-minded attack on the ball. But has always been on the edge of the best 22 and has played just one game this year after returning from a knee injury.
Aaron Edwards
High-flying forward arrived from North Melbourne in exchange for a late pick and played a handful of very good games in 2013. But he will be remembered for missing an easy shot just after halftime in the elimination final which left the door open for a barnstorming Carlton comeback. Not that Tiger fans are bitter or anything.
Chris Knights
Showed glimpses of his huge talent after joining the Tigers as a free agent but pulled the pin on an injury-cursed career in 2015 after just six games in black and yellow. Was always a big risk but didn’t cost anything except a spot on the list.
Troy Chaplin
Big tick. Targeted as soon as free agency was introduced and formed a great partnership with Alex Rance in the key defensive posts from 2013-15, with Richmond playing finals in each of those seasons. End came quickly last year.
Shaun Hampson
After 2013 Richmond realised Ivan Maric needed help and gave up a second-round pick to get Hampson from Carlton. But his career has been plagued by injuries and he and Maric never worked in the same team. Great tap ruckman who doesn’t offer much else. Still on the list but out with a long-term back injury. Fail.
Taylor Hunt
Delisted free agent has added 41 games at Richmond — the club be barracked for as a kid — after starting his career at Geelong. But has always been a role player and has fallen well outside the best 22 this year, playing just one game.
Chris Yarran
Oh dear. Complete bust who quit without playing a game after crossing from Carlton. Playing footy again in WA as he battles personal issues. At least the Tigers held their nerve and gave up pick 19 for him and not pick 12, which Carlton demanded (the Blues eventually used the pick on David Cuningham while the Tigers picked Daniel Rioli).
Jacob Townsend
Richmond gave GWS a fourth-round draft pick for Townsend, who played 38 games in four years at the Giants. He was supposed to be the tough inside midfielder to support Cotchin and Martin but has proven so far to be a good VFL player who struggles at the top level, with pace and kicking a concern. Played in three of the first five rounds last year but just once after that for the year and is yet to feature in 2017.
Andrew Moore
Richmond hoped it could extract the potential that led to Moore — the younger brother of former Tiger Kelvin — being selected by Port Adelaide with pick 9 in the 2009 draft. But after being recruited as a free agent he had the same limitations as Townsend and was delisted for a second time after five games for the Tigers.
Josh Caddy
Perhaps realising they had to aim higher, Tiger recruiters pounced late in last year’s trade period on Caddy, another former top-10 pick (No.7 in 2010). He was a good player at Geelong without being elite and his form this year hasn’t changed that assessment, but he has shown glimpses and should be entering his prime at age 24. Hardwick has to decide whether he’s a midfielder or a forward. Will be interesting to track his progress against Brandan Parfitt, the player Geelong picked with the draft selection (26) Richmond handed over for Caddy.
Dion Prestia
At his best Prestia is an elite inside ball-winner, but we haven’t seen a lot of that this year. And his kicking has been generally terrible, perhaps impacted by the knee injury that derailed his pre-season. Tigers need a lot more after parting with pick six in the draft, but at 24 he has plenty of time to live up to expectations.
Toby Nankervis
We saved the best til last. A steal as a swap for pick 46 (which the Swans used on Jack Maibaum) and a key reason for Richmond’s surprise jump up the ladder this season. Not tall for a ruckman at 199cm but his physical approach has won the hearts of Tiger fans and his elite intercept marking has made him a SuperCoach star. Still just 22.
DEPARTURES
Andrew Raines
The son of Tiger great Geoff Raines finished second in the AFL Rising Star Award (behind Danyle Pearce) and in Richmond’s best-and-fairest in 2006, his first full season. But he was unable to match that form in three more years at Richmond before being traded to Brisbane, where he became a handy tagger. Finished his career at Gold Coast but didn’t burn Richmond.
Jay Schulz
The No.12 pick in the 2002 draft teased Tiger fans for seven seasons and it wasn’t a controversial decision to let him go to Port Adelaide. But he settled in the goalsquare at Port and booted 275 goals in 123 games while Richmond struggled to find a reliable second tall forward. Oops.
Andrew Collins
Swapping the brave but small and injury-prone Collins to Carlton for Shaun Grigg was a huge win.
Mitch Morton
Morton arrived at the Tigers in a trade with West Coast in 2007 and was an inconsistent and occasionally brilliant performer before leaving for Sydney in exchange for pick 79 at the end of 2011. Morton played just 12 games for the Swans but one of them was the 2012 premiership.
Angus Graham
Richmond swapped the ruckman and pick 50 to Adelaide in exchange for pick 40 at the end of 2011. Graham didn’t play another AFL game and the player Richmond selected with that pick — Matt McDonough — managed 10 before being delisted. So, a win?
Matt White
White was a lifelong Tiger fan but left to join Port Adelaide as a free agent after a contract dispute. Has been a handy pick-up for the Power but has struggled to break into the team this year. The Tigers didn’t get any compensation from the AFL for his departure.
Ty Vickery (free agent)
Despite his struggles, Vickery would be getting a game at Richmond right now ahead of Todd Elton and Ivan Soldo. If the Tigers had known Ben Griffiths would run into more concussion issues they might have thought twice about letting Vickery join the Hawks as a free agent. But his lucrative two-year deal resulted in a second-round compensation pick, which Richmond used on Shai Bolton. Vickery, meanwhile, has played five games and kicked two goals as a Hawk.
Brett Deledio
Two-time best-and-fairest winner, twice All-Australian, Rising Star winner and out-and-out gun — no Tiger fan wanted to part ways with Lids. But after 12 years of dedicated service he earnt the right to finish his career with a shot at a flag, and the Tigers extracted a good deal for the 30-year-old in the form of Geelong’s first-round draft pick at the end of this year. And as Deledio battles calf issues Richmond looks well ahead on the deal — although if the former Tiger debuts in Round 22 and blitzes September the Giants will be pretty happy.
Note: Luke McGuane, Tom Derickx and Robin Nahas joined other clubs as delisted free agents after being cut by the Tigers. Nahas played 32 games for North Melbourne but McGuane managed just seven for Brisbane and Derickx (13 games for Sydney) is better known for his music project Kayex.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...k/news-story/d80cd0fea065b51cf76d0d69eff6ef2c
You are just feeding the trolls who are baiting you by responding with such a robust defense! Let them through to the keeper!
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Good again tonight.
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My god. Would have to be the melt of the year so far,well done lol
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Few and far between though. His biggest strength is he marks the ball when other defenders would punch.
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Loved his comment on the Martin negotiations:
