Player Watch #17: Daniel Rioli - Traded to GC, picks 6&23.

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Marcel Proust said:
He played well in the backline the previous season too
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of ffs - he was ok at best. Defensively he was crap - he looked ok, but kudos to him he worked hard over the off-season and got a lot better.

His 2021 games at HBF were not stellar, they were serviceable. If your trying to add them into some line of 2 years of form you are off your ****ing ****
 
RJK Tiger said:
I didnt say he was Andrew McLeod. She did. I am saying he isn't. Read your own quote dude - ffs

Ive said countless times i think he had a good year.

What i said in regards to the back 6 was i preferred Short & Baker in those roles. To be fair Baker was only a few votes behind him & Short was winning the B&F when he played that same role, if he had played the whole year at HBF, which is his best position, he would have likely won the B&F & would have been an AA. Cant deny that is not true, the votes are there to see in both the Brownlow and B&F

Baker FWIW got more Brownlow votes & more MVP coaches votes, by a decent margin in both. He received a few less B&F votes - it weas very close.

I like Dan, when others wanted to trade him last year i was against it. I still stand by that i like him when he moves forward more & said countless times that when he did that more later in the year, he was far more useful. They are also the games where he got the most votes from the looks of it - the ones where he pushed hard forward, linked up and played almost as a 2nd, overlapping wing that got into the attacking half


There have been countless conversations about him and his game change where my stance on him has moved - but the narrative with the usual few stayed the same, holding onto a few quotes out of a 1000 conversations about him. Ive said he had a good year, said i liked his role down back there more as it evolved into a forward attacking role too. I'm still suss on his defensive side & there were more than a few times in clutch moments he looked ordinary, including the Sydney game, Geelong Game & the EF.

If i was naming the side i would have Short & Baker +Rioli doing the HBF roles in that order, using Dan as a wing, HFF as well - with a 60/40 split - while rotating Baker & Short in the middle. My opinion evolved as the year went on, but the narrative didn't.

A forward line rotation of Lynch, Riewoldt, Bolton, Dusty, MRJ, Cumberland & D.Rioli to me still looks elite & I think we could have that while still having Short, Baker Dan Rioli rotate off HBF. So my opinion on him changed to that point throughout the year - I originally thought he was better suited as HFF / Wing - then admitted he works best as a running rotating HBF / W / HFF as he can link up beautifully with the likes of MRJ & Bolton. We saw that in the 2nd half of the year and it was elite also.

Never said he should be dropped from the side, just should rotate through other positions to utilise his strength. By the end of the year he basically did play that role & he polled much better. I always write indepth opinions & the usual 2 on this topic always dumb that down to the same boring narrative. My opinion on him did change as the year rolled on - i am just suss to why our once elite defence has turned to trash over the past period where he moved into the HBF. I don't buy the argument that our defence looked bad only due to our midfield - we looked a ******* shitshow down there at times & ultiamtely i think that poor defence is what cost us any chance of real success this year, along with a lack of depth & help for Dion

Last im writing on it - its ******* boring. We finished 7th ffs & we are looking like Carlton supporters - fighting amongst ourselves over pointless s**t because we have no success to talk about anymore. If you waiting for me to say i am wrong - i am not gonna do it as its not the full story. The above is an accurate reflection of what i thought of him.
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Man, you are rapidly closing on Mr Magic as the most baffling poster on this board.

Just out of interest, what was Houli’s best ever finish in the B&F in a year Richmond made finals?

10th, 9th, 9th, =8th, 7th, were his best finishes, with 2 lower finishes in injury riddled seasons.

We all know Houli was a terrific player for us. And a brilliant big game player. But his best finish from 7 finals seasons was 7th.

Rioli just finished 2nd in a finals season.


So with respect, STFU. 🤣🤣
 
Meteoric Rise said:
Man, you are rapidly closing on Mr Magic as the most baffling poster on this board.

Just out of interest, what was Houli’s best ever finish in the B&F in a year Richmond made finals?

10th, 9th, 9th, =8th, 7th, were his best finishes, with 2 lower finishes in injury riddled seasons.

We all know Houli was a terrific player for us. And a brilliant big game player. But his best finish from 7 finals seasons was 7th.

Rioli just finished 2nd in a finals season.


So with respect, STFU. 🤣🤣
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Getting 2nd for 7th means a lot less to me than being part of winning flags. I mean Houli was voting against peak level Dusty, Rance, Cotchin, Prestia, Lambert, Edwards, Grimes, Riewoldt, Vlaustin.

Dan just came 2nd to a bloke who played 20% less games, barely beat another who also played 20% less games, old man Cotchin, baker & Balta who are both several years younger. Its not comparible at all, lol. Vloss missed a ton of games, as did Grimes. Dusty. Balta. Short got played out of position to cover weaknesses. Its one of the worst comparisons, ever.

As ive said, Houli did it in finals & GFs. Riolis one final at hb he was poor & exposed in the clutch.

U guys love a bloke then a year after they retire u reckon some guy is already better? Ur goldfish brains in human bodies

I will take it to the main board tomorrow with poll. Dan Rioli already better than Houli based on this 1 year. No one in their right mind would put Rioli over Houli on an all timers list of influential hbfs. Ffs
 

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RJK Tiger said:
Getting 2nd for 7th means a lot less to me than being part of winning flags. I mean Houli was voting against peak level Dusty, Rance, Cotchin, Prestia, Lambert, Edwards, Grimes, Riewoldt, Vlaustin.

Dan just came 2nd to a bloke who played 20% less games, barely beat another who also played 20% less games, old man Cotchin, baker & Balta who are both several years younger. Its not comparible at all, lol. Vloss missed a ton of games, as did Grimes. Dusty. Balta. Short got played out of position to cover weaknesses. Its one of the worst comparisons, ever.

As ive said, Houli did it in finals & GFs. Riolis one final at hb he was poor & exposed in the clutch.

U guys love a bloke then a year after they retire u reckon some guy is already better? Ur goldfish brains in human bodies

I will take it to the main board tomorrow with poll. Dan Rioli already better than Houli based on this 1 year. No one in their right mind would put Rioli over Houli on an all timers list of influential hbfs. Ffs
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Rioli won three flags too..
 
RJK Tiger said:
Getting 2nd for 7th means a lot less to me than being part of winning flags. I mean Houli was voting against peak level Dusty, Rance, Cotchin, Prestia, Lambert, Edwards, Grimes, Riewoldt, Vlaustin.

Dan just came 2nd to a bloke who played 20% less games, barely beat another who also played 20% less games, old man Cotchin, baker & Balta who are both several years younger. Its not comparible at all, lol. Vloss missed a ton of games, as did Grimes. Dusty. Balta. Short got played out of position to cover weaknesses. Its one of the worst comparisons, ever.

As ive said, Houli did it in finals & GFs. Riolis one final at hb he was poor & exposed in the clutch.

U guys love a bloke then a year after they retire u reckon some guy is already better? Ur goldfish brains in human bodies

I will take it to the main board tomorrow with poll. Dan Rioli already better than Houli based on this 1 year. No one in their right mind would put Rioli over Houli on an all timers list of influential hbfs. Ffs
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You are not likely to find anyone here who will try to play down what Bachar Houli achieved at Richmond. But this is the thing, Rioli has just finished I am pretty sure at worst top 3-4 for average votes per game in a season where he played every single game. You are trying like fury to minimise this achievement, which is what you have done at every turn since he was moved to the backline, where he has gone from strength to strength. At one stage you were trying to minimise his form against others on the basis of coaches votes. The coaches also vote for the B & F and he beat all those players for total votes but also votes per game in the B & F. I pointed out to you at the time the coaches votes were not a safe way to compare players because one player could consistently sit in the 6th-10th best on ground range and have less votes than a player who has the following pattern: 25th, 4th, 18th, 11th, 13th.

You are also trying to downplay Rioli’s season on the basis of him being quiet at certain times. At most of those times teams were hard tagging him. The reason they hard tag him is because he is so damaging, as his 4.7 average score involvements and almost 1 goal + goal assist per game off half back indicates. Short for example never beat these marks in any season at half back. Neither did Houli. When teams are hard tagging your defenders you know you are on a winner.

And your other trick is to criticise his defensive game. Yet he just finished 2nd in the B&F for which votes are awarded based on attacking and defensive performance and overall effect on the result. So the coaches clearly haven’t seen much weakness in his defensive game, and they know who he is playing on. There is no existing query on Rioli's defensive game, you just made that up.

How many running backs in the AFL played clearly better than Dan Rioli in 2022? The answer is probably zero, and you could throw a blanket over a handful of players and argue a case for each. That means Rioli’s move to half back has been a resounding success. So all you need to do now to end this whole fiasco is type these words:

"Dan Rioli’s move to defence has been a resounding success." 😁
 
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Is it possible to agree with all of RJK Tiger, Meteoric Rise and Marcel Proust? At times, I think all three posters have made excellent points about Dan Rioli at half back.

The shift from half forward to half back was a brilliant move by the coaching staff. He had a very good year. It's a pretty easy position to play in the Richmond system (e.g. Bachar Houli in 2017-2019, Jayden Short in 2020). He has the potential to become an AA at half back flank in 2023.

Let's move on.
 
RJK Tiger said:
Getting 2nd for 7th means a lot less to me than being part of winning flags. I mean Houli was voting against peak level Dusty, Rance, Cotchin, Prestia, Lambert, Edwards, Grimes, Riewoldt, Vlaustin.

Dan just came 2nd to a bloke who played 20% less games, barely beat another who also played 20% less games, old man Cotchin, baker & Balta who are both several years younger. Its not comparible at all, lol. Vloss missed a ton of games, as did Grimes. Dusty. Balta. Short got played out of position to cover weaknesses. Its one of the worst comparisons, ever.

As ive said, Houli did it in finals & GFs. Riolis one final at hb he was poor & exposed in the clutch.

U guys love a bloke then a year after they retire u reckon some guy is already better? Ur goldfish brains in human bodies

I will take it to the main board tomorrow with poll. Dan Rioli already better than Houli based on this 1 year. No one in their right mind would put Rioli over Houli on an all timers list of influential hbfs. Ffs
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Don’t change the narrative. This all started from your calls to shift Rioli back to the forward line. Then when his form at half back was good early you maintained your stance of wanting him moved forward by saying :

“Yeah, but he has not proven he can be part of a decent functioning backline”

Then we started winning games and being a decent team, and Rioli’s form kept getting better. That’s when you started on:

“Yeah, but he is getting less coach’s votes than other backline players so the coach’s can’t be thinking that highly of him”…

Then he kept getting better and started getting coach’s votes and was being talked up as AA, which is when you said :

“He’s nowhere near AA quality and should still be shifted forward”

So he almost made AA. Was our best rated defender by the coaches across the season. Was widely regarded as having an outstanding season by basically everyone…. and now you remain dying on the hill of ‘Rioli hasn’t been that good at half back’ by saying:

“Yeah, but what sort of game did he have in the EF?’

Do you even read back what you write? You’ve somehow managed to turn the narrative into your critics comparing him favourably to McLeod and Houli when no-one ever did anything of the sort.

So why don’t you place a poll up on the MB that deals with your criticism of Rioli across the season and deals with the actual topic:

“In what position do you believe Daniel Rioli should be played in 2024? Half-back. Half-forward. 50/50 split.”

Let’s see how any agree with your sentiments




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Man I loved watching him bounce off half back.

I’d love to see him get his first AA this year.
 
RJK Tiger has had a a shocker in this match, an absolute stinker. D Rioli B.O.G. He made the man who wrongfully took his AA position in 2022 - Adam Saad - look like Adam Sad in comparison. :)
 
He's turning that sprinkle of genius into a regular thing. Star
 

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Player Watch #17: Daniel Rioli - Traded to GC, picks 6&23.

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