18 A, Season 2011

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i'm sure most teams have already started training and getting back into it, So has any clubs picked up any new players and are willing to goss about it ? 2011 will sure to be a good season with teams like Altona, Spotty and hoppers to be the standouts but Albion, st albans and willy will push to play finals also. herd today also jack dorgan is out for the season poor kid and really qaulity players for hoppers. my top 5 in no order would be

Altona
hoppers
spotty
albion
st albans or willy

if it goes anything like last year hopefully we have another good year. so start the rumors and gossip guys cause 2011's season is approaching and fast !
 
yes cooka but i rekon you're wrong about one thing, willi will have no problem playing finals this year, i've heard a few freak players are back but i don't know if there is any truth to it.

and :heart: dorgs, get better soon, jets WILL struggle without you.
 
any idea when the fixture will be up?
Will be interesting to see whos in a's and b's id say a's will have
altona, hoppers, vales, spotty, willytown, point cook, albion, st albans and then port colts and glenorden as chances.
also who are chances for winning the best player award in the 18s?
 

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he was on the fence about a week ago, he is going to play. He just isnt committed to spotswood. He wasnt too happy there and didnt take loosing the gf last year well so i no he still isnt to sure.
 
Hope you guys are all aware of the new ruling by the WRFL that was realeased Friday last week.

All clubs that have teams in the senior grade will play ing the 18A and then all other clubs will play in 18B's - this now stands for A grade and b grade as to alighn the under 18's witht eh senior games.

SO the A's will now be - Spotswood, Albion, Sunshine, St Albans, Glen Orden, Hoppers Crossing, Sunshine heights, North footscray, Port Colts, Altona

And B's will be all other clubs including willi and werribee juniors. if any senior Divi clubs have 2 under 18's then they will play in the B's as well
 
SuperSaturdays said:
Hope you guys are all aware of the new ruling by the WRFL that was realeased Friday last week.

All clubs that have teams in the senior grade will play ing the 18A and then all other clubs will play in 18B's - this now stands for A grade and b grade as to alighn the under 18's witht eh senior games.

SO the A's will now be - Spotswood, Albion, Sunshine, St Albans, Glen Orden, Hoppers Crossing, Sunshine heights, North footscray, Port Colts, Altona

And B's will be all other clubs including willi and werribee juniors. if any senior Divi clubs have 2 under 18's then they will play in the B's as well
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Willi are going to the amos and I think Werribee are already there. B.S. decision which is poorly thought out. No use having the big three games each week when your 18's are getting smashed because they are way out of their depth. Could we lose players because of this? Someone said that the challenge would be good for the lesser lights but not being competitive can cause players to leave the game. It's a bit more complex than telling the boys to drink the cup of concrete. What about players from sides forced to play B's who are more motivated and better than that standard? They'll either coast, leave their clubs to go to an A grade side or leave the league all together. This is not good player development.
Conspiracy theorists will tell you that this has much do to with the Point Cook debacle. Any comments?
 
Nothing to do with Point cook, in previous years all senior clubs had to have under 18's and they always played at the same ground as their seniors with the same fixture, it will even out the comp as there are team in A going down to B and side going up from B to A so should make for a reasonably even comp. Really there is not A and B grade it is really senior and second division. It is great for workers of these clubs as you do not have people have to travel over the countryside to accomodate one game. Its about making the competition managable to the league and the the parent In years gon eby you had to have under 18's if you were in the seniors and the only reason it was changed was that a number of clubs couldn't field teams and a change had to be made. So why you guys are dissapointed, it is a positive move for the workers of the clubs, and in then end they are the ones that get you guys on the field in the hope that you one day pull on a jumper for the seniors.
 

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SuperSaturdays said:
Nothing to do with Point cook, in previous years all senior clubs had to have under 18's and they always played at the same ground as their seniors with the same fixture, it will even out the comp as there are team in A going down to B and side going up from B to A so should make for a reasonably even comp. Really there is not A and B grade it is really senior and second division. It is great for workers of these clubs as you do not have people have to travel over the countryside to accomodate one game. Its about making the competition managable to the league and the the parent In years gon eby you had to have under 18's if you were in the seniors and the only reason it was changed was that a number of clubs couldn't field teams and a change had to be made. So why you guys are dissapointed, it is a positive move for the workers of the clubs, and in then end they are the ones that get you guys on the field in the hope that you one day pull on a jumper for the seniors.
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Not sure how this will even out the comp. You have a team like Glen Orden struggling for players (as per ad on WRFL website) & Sunshine Heights where the majority of its Under 18's (first time this year) have not played above C grade in their Junior footy, playing the likes of Hoppers, Spotty & Altona.
You say its great for the workers of the clubs, what about the kids, getting thumped every week. How long will it be before they decide they no longer want to play, then you're left with teams struggling to field enough players during the year.
Alternatively, you have players wanting to play against the best & you are forcing them out of the comp because they don't have seniors (eg Willi).
Also, what happens if Coburg or Yarravile Seddon makes it to Div 1?
Just because it works in other leagues doesn't mean it will work in this one.
 
SuperSaturdays said:
Nothing to do with Point cook, in previous years all senior clubs had to have under 18's and they always played at the same ground as their seniors with the same fixture, it will even out the comp as there are team in A going down to B and side going up from B to A so should make for a reasonably even comp. Really there is not A and B grade it is really senior and second division. It is great for workers of these clubs as you do not have people have to travel over the countryside to accomodate one game. Its about making the competition managable to the league and the the parent In years gon eby you had to have under 18's if you were in the seniors and the only reason it was changed was that a number of clubs couldn't field teams and a change had to be made. So why you guys are dissapointed, it is a positive move for the workers of the clubs, and in then end they are the ones that get you guys on the field in the hope that you one day pull on a jumper for the seniors.
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Point cook have seniors just not in the wrfl , so really it penalizes the club and forces the 18s to play in the Bs even though we deserve to play As
 
oh well S*** happens , bad luck boys, any decent players come down to altona and have a run see how you go were looking very strong this year so come have a run and see how you go ;)
 
SuperSaturdays said:
Nothing to do with Point cook, in previous years all senior clubs had to have under 18's and they always played at the same ground as their seniors with the same fixture, it will even out the comp as there are team in A going down to B and side going up from B to A so should make for a reasonably even comp. Really there is not A and B grade it is really senior and second division. It is great for workers of these clubs as you do not have people have to travel over the countryside to accomodate one game. Its about making the competition managable to the league and the the parent In years gon eby you had to have under 18's if you were in the seniors and the only reason it was changed was that a number of clubs couldn't field teams and a change had to be made. So why you guys are dissapointed, it is a positive move for the workers of the clubs, and in then end they are the ones that get you guys on the field in the hope that you one day pull on a jumper for the seniors.
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The gulf between 1st and 2nd division is huge and I expect the difference between A and B under 18's is similar. Thinking otherwise just means that people are kidding themselves. Messing with gradings for the sake of convenience is laughable. King G hit the nail on the head. The workers have their place and it won't be on the field getting smashed each week. If you asked them whether they preferred the convenience of the current fixture or seeing the boys have half a chance at success, real club people would choose the latter. If the WRFL have done this with manageability in mind, then what does that say for their priorities? How can you justify a Point Cook (just missed finals) and Willi (most likely a finals team) playing in B grade? You can't. A step backwards is not good for development.
Don't like the possibility that players out of their league will quit playing and then certain clubs suffer from a lack of players coming up to senior ranks. This will affect the clubs at the lower end of the table. The other subtle effect may be the quality players from Willi, Werribee and Point Cook being lost to the league at senior level as well. Don't know how many come through the ranks so can't say how big the effect will be.
If it does happen to work, then fantastic but not real confident at the moment.
 
The gulf between 1st and 2nd division is huge and I expect the difference between A and B under 18's is similar. Thinking otherwise just means that people are kidding themselves. Messing with gradings for the sake of convenience is laughable. King G hit the nail on the head. The workers have their place and it won't be on the field getting smashed each week. If you asked them whether they preferred the convenience of the current fixture or seeing the boys have half a chance at success, real club people would choose the latter. If the WRFL have done this with manageability in mind, then what does that say for their priorities?
FiloBeddoe said:
How can you justify a Point Cook (just missed finals) and Willi (most likely a finals team) playing in B grade?.
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You can't. A step backwards is not good for development.
Don't like the possibility that players out of their league will quit playing and then certain clubs suffer from a lack of players coming up to senior ranks. This will affect the clubs at the lower end of the table. The other subtle effect may be the quality players from Willi, Werribee and Point Cook being lost to the league at senior level as well. Don't know how many come through the ranks so can't say how big the effect will be.
If it does happen to work, then fantastic but not real confident at the moment.[/quote]


It is unreasonable and stupid to think how some teams will get smashed in the A's and teams that would be atleast competitive in the As smash teams in the B's
Wheres the logic
 
pc_bluesboyss123 said:
The gulf between 1st and 2nd division is huge and I expect the difference between A and B under 18's is similar. Thinking otherwise just means that people are kidding themselves. Messing with gradings for the sake of convenience is laughable. King G hit the nail on the head. The workers have their place and it won't be on the field getting smashed each week. If you asked them whether they preferred the convenience of the current fixture or seeing the boys have half a chance at success, real club people would choose the latter. If the WRFL have done this with manageability in mind, then what does that say for their priorities? You can't. A step backwards is not good for development.
Don't like the possibility that players out of their league will quit playing and then certain clubs suffer from a lack of players coming up to senior ranks. This will affect the clubs at the lower end of the table. The other subtle effect may be the quality players from Willi, Werribee and Point Cook being lost to the league at senior level as well. Don't know how many come through the ranks so can't say how big the effect will be.
If it does happen to work, then fantastic but not real confident at the moment.
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It is unreasonable and stupid to think how some teams will get smashed in the A's and teams that would be atleast competitive in the As smash teams in the B's
Wheres the logic[/quote]
Why mention Werribee they are already in the ammos. Players are already being lost to the comp with Point Cook and Willy having seniors in the ammos. In a long term view the comp will be better off. Short term pain for long term gain. If players want to play A grade go play A grade and if the want to play B grade let them go. The comp will balance out in the next few years. Better revenue for all clubs in the WRFL by having all 3 sides at the same ground and better for seconds footy so if they are short players can double up without having to travel all over the place. It's logicical for this to happen and should have been done years ago. My diagnosis is 2 cups of concrete and ring somebody who cares because its better for the league as a whole. If players want to play senior WRFL footy go to a club which has seniors or don't it's up to the individual.
 
How have under 18s players been lost because point cook have there
Seniors are in the ammo's?

This may very well force players to leave because the standard of B grade is not the standard in which we deserve to play
 
I have to agree with you there Secure 38 as to the longer term strengthening of the competition. The EDFL have done it from under 18's through to seniors for over 15 years and it has served the purpose as you have expressed above and clubs simply must adhere to these rules and the drive to do all they can to get to A Grade/1st Division. At the end of the day it is the strength of the seniors that dictate where the juniors are and not the other way around. An under 18 B's and reserves B Grade premiership will not elevate your club to elevate your senior club to A Grade even if your seniors finish runner's up and that is the way it should be.

If you get your systems and culture right then you will have a strong club whereby your seniors, reserves and under 18's are always in the top 4 or 5.

The WRFL is a little unique in that there are club's that have only juniors playing in it and the senior club's elsewhere and that is there choice but for the good of the competition and the strength of the competition if each and every club know's their place, rules are set and then properly governed, you as an individual club either work with these rules to better your club and either commit to taking your juniors elsewhere and follow the path of the seniors (be it in the VAFA, GDFL or other) or you align your seniors and juniors together in the WRFL which will only get stronger.
 
Laverton Magpies said:
I have to agree with you there Secure 38 as to the longer term strengthening of the competition. The EDFL have done it from under 18's through to seniors for over 15 years and it has served the purpose as you have expressed above and clubs simply must adhere to these rules and the drive to do all they can to get to A Grade/1st Division. At the end of the day it is the strength of the seniors that dictate where the juniors are and not the other way around. An under 18 B's and reserves B Grade premiership will not elevate your club to elevate your senior club to A Grade even if your seniors finish runner's up and that is the way it should be.

If you get your systems and culture right then you will have a strong club whereby your seniors, reserves and under 18's are always in the top 4 or 5.

The WRFL is a little unique in that there are club's that have only juniors playing in it and the senior club's elsewhere and that is there choice but for the good of the competition and the strength of the competition if each and every club know's their place, rules are set and then properly governed, you as an individual club either work with these rules to better your club and either commit to taking your juniors elsewhere and follow the path of the seniors (be it in the VAFA, GDFL or other) or you align your seniors and juniors together in the WRFL which will only get stronger.
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Again I ask, what will they do if Coburg Districts win a Div 2 GF, will they not be promoted because they don't have Under 18's. It's not all one way!
 
King G said:
Again I ask, what will they do if Coburg Districts win a Div 2 GF, will they not be promoted because they don't have Under 18's. It's not all one way!
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Quite simple, if and when Coburg Districts win the 2nd Division GF they will be expected to provide or have an under 18 side the following season... Club's must plan for these things and to be sustainable as per reports and recommendations from the AFL. It is within our vision as a club to have a full list of juniors from our Auskick through to under 18's in the coming years and having the systems, culture in place to make it work for when our time comes to make the step up to Division 1.
 
Great post Justin.. undortunaltey some of these young fellas aren't looking at the bigger picture, and finally the league is doing what the Senior Clubs want.. not what the junior clubs want. This is a really good step in the right direction and like Secure said it may take a few years and there will always be a strong team and a not so strong team, but this is life.. It gives club a chance now to work out wether they want to step it up into the A Grade which means planing for the future.. The sustainability of clubs is what is important... so for short term loss there will be long term gains.
Again great post Justin.. sounds like you are really putting in the hard yards down at the magpies, keep persisiting it will all fall into place.
 

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