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18 teams - How many rounds?
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Who says it has to?
17 rounds for the AFL Premiership season
4 Rounds for a state competition
Each state team has 22 players, 11 from the AFL and 11 from the State league (VFL, WAFL, SAFL, Others). 3 round robin games 1 final, each team plays each other once top two play in final. Replace injuries from same league.
That thought just came to me, so not too much thinking has gone into it to go into any detail. But that competition will give the young kids a chance to feel AFL level and can have a look at the next years draftees.
if you want 22 rounds to remain all you have to do is play each other once for 17 rounds then split the previous years ladder into three sections to get the other five games.
ie 1st to 6th play each other again
7th to 12th play each other again
13th to 18th play each other again.
that is another 5 games to add to the initial 17 = 22 rounds
The second part of the draw works hand in hand with the way the draft is susposed to which is to try and equal up the competition.
Obviously each year the draw is based wholy and solely on the ladder and can not be fiddled with by the AFL......leaving no quarrels or arguments!
Every club has their own destiny in their own hands from year to year!
ie 1st to 6th play each other again
7th to 12th play each other again
13th to 18th play each other again.
that is another 5 games to add to the initial 17 = 22 rounds
The second part of the draw works hand in hand with the way the draft is susposed to which is to try and equal up the competition.
Obviously each year the draw is based wholy and solely on the ladder and can not be fiddled with by the AFL......leaving no quarrels or arguments!
Every club has their own destiny in their own hands from year to year!
idealy, 34 (each team twice) however, that would make the season far too long.
26 rounds (9 teams once, 9 teams twice) and 4 weeks of finals = 30 weeks of competition. PRe-season could still be played. However, I would like to see the final H&A round to be the first round of the next pre-season. Would potentially eliminate "tanking" as it could be a case of getting a draft pick, or not playing on an AFL venue untill rd 1 the following season.
would be a bastard getting an even amount for a k/o comp, but something would work
26 rounds (9 teams once, 9 teams twice) and 4 weeks of finals = 30 weeks of competition. PRe-season could still be played. However, I would like to see the final H&A round to be the first round of the next pre-season. Would potentially eliminate "tanking" as it could be a case of getting a draft pick, or not playing on an AFL venue untill rd 1 the following season.
would be a bastard getting an even amount for a k/o comp, but something would work
I think they should have 24 rounds, that way each team plays the other 17 teams once, then plays another 7 teams twice.
All teams would have 12 home and 12 away games. If they do it this way then they would only need to start the season 2-3 weeks earlier then they do now.
All teams would have 12 home and 12 away games. If they do it this way then they would only need to start the season 2-3 weeks earlier then they do now.
first 5 rounds - 1st, 4th, 7th, 10th, 13th, 16th from the previous season play each other, as do 2nd, 5th, 8th, 11th, 14th, 17th, and 3rd, 6th, 9th, 12th, 15th, 18th
last 17 rounds - each side plays every other side once
= 22 rounds.
They could do the same with 16 teams:
first 7 rounds - 1,3,5,7,9,11,13,15 play each other, as do 2,4,6,8,10,12,14,16
last 15 rounds - each side plays every other side once
But that's probably too fair and wouldn't generate enough $$ for the AFL's liking.
Edit: Apologies to THEBLOODS85 who suggested a fundamentally identical system.
last 17 rounds - each side plays every other side once
= 22 rounds.
They could do the same with 16 teams:
first 7 rounds - 1,3,5,7,9,11,13,15 play each other, as do 2,4,6,8,10,12,14,16
last 15 rounds - each side plays every other side once
But that's probably too fair and wouldn't generate enough $$ for the AFL's liking.
Edit: Apologies to THEBLOODS85 who suggested a fundamentally identical system.
no probs bear...just glad someone else can see a logical, simple & fair way to do a draw.
i know! especially with Juddy on the team
Its gotta be 25 Rounds.
As mentioned before.
Currently
Pre-Season Cup: 15 Matches
Home & Away: 176 Matches
Finals: 8
Total Matches: 200
With 18 Teams and 25 Rounds
Pre-Season Cup: 17 Matches
Home & Away: 225 Matches
Finals: 13 Matches
Total Matches: 255
Pre-Season has 2 Qualifying matches for the Bottom 4 teams of the previous year
25 Rounds of 9 Matches Home & Away
Finals should be a Final 9 played over 5 weeks.
We have to play the Grand Final the Saturday before the Caulfield Cup.
Currently there are 2 'dead' weekends in Melbourne between the Grand Final and the Caulfield Cup.
The AFL needs to fill those weekends before the A-League does. Extend the season by 2 weeks at that end, and start it a couple of weeks earlier.
You have a perfect solution, and we all get to see more football! 49 more Home & Away matches is the main drawcard. Which will increase revenue and make the whole expansion more viable to accomplish.
As mentioned before.
Currently
Pre-Season Cup: 15 Matches
Home & Away: 176 Matches
Finals: 8
Total Matches: 200
With 18 Teams and 25 Rounds
Pre-Season Cup: 17 Matches
Home & Away: 225 Matches
Finals: 13 Matches
Total Matches: 255
Pre-Season has 2 Qualifying matches for the Bottom 4 teams of the previous year
25 Rounds of 9 Matches Home & Away
Finals should be a Final 9 played over 5 weeks.
We have to play the Grand Final the Saturday before the Caulfield Cup.
Currently there are 2 'dead' weekends in Melbourne between the Grand Final and the Caulfield Cup.
The AFL needs to fill those weekends before the A-League does. Extend the season by 2 weeks at that end, and start it a couple of weeks earlier.
You have a perfect solution, and we all get to see more football! 49 more Home & Away matches is the main drawcard. Which will increase revenue and make the whole expansion more viable to accomplish.
How about this (I think I have the numbers right):
26 rounds:
• Vic teams play every non-Vic side once (8 games, away), and every Vic team twice (18 games, home & away) = 26 games
• Non Vic teams play every non-local team once (16 games, home and away), the local team four times (4 games, home and away), and the non vic non local team once more (6 games, home and away) = 26 games
Down side is that non vic teams don't get to play in Melbourne until the finals...upside is that 'traditional rivalries' are maximised.
26 rounds:
• Vic teams play every non-Vic side once (8 games, away), and every Vic team twice (18 games, home & away) = 26 games
• Non Vic teams play every non-local team once (16 games, home and away), the local team four times (4 games, home and away), and the non vic non local team once more (6 games, home and away) = 26 games
Down side is that non vic teams don't get to play in Melbourne until the finals...upside is that 'traditional rivalries' are maximised.
no its opinion, and its wrong. there will be 18 clubs, and all victorian clubs are guaranteed into the future now.
the league wants nine games a round to split up and sell to the networks, so even if north melbourne get all their money together and burn it in their offices at arden street along with their facilities, the AFL will rescue them and keep them running
with the entry of the two new teams, there is nowhere else that it is more profitable to have a team rather than to keep propping up a poorer victorian team.
and you will probably now find that the league, who for so long has been trying to squeeze the poorer clubs until one or two move or merge, will now set about trying to improve their bottom line by helping renegotiate stadium deals and find new sponsors.
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Team Captain
i like 17 rounds + 9 games and a top 8 finals series
DaSawx
Brownlow Medallist
Will people stop suggesting 17 rounds, there's no way the AFL will have 23 less games on television.
The draw is flawed, if anything the AFL will keep it at 22 rounds and stay with a flawed draw, get their money from their blockbuster and fill out the draw with the rest like they always do. The pre-season comp will probably stay also as they get a nice little sum from NAB.
I can't believe I even saw a suggestion for a 9 team finals, why? I'd keep it at 8 even if there were 30 teams, finals should be hard to get into and be cherished, no need to expand it just because there are more teams.
The draw is flawed, if anything the AFL will keep it at 22 rounds and stay with a flawed draw, get their money from their blockbuster and fill out the draw with the rest like they always do. The pre-season comp will probably stay also as they get a nice little sum from NAB.
I can't believe I even saw a suggestion for a 9 team finals, why? I'd keep it at 8 even if there were 30 teams, finals should be hard to get into and be cherished, no need to expand it just because there are more teams.
Cousin Jed
Retired President of BigFooty
As mentioned by someone - 22
3 pools of 6
Play every team once then again against the rest of the teams in your "pool"
3 pools of 6
Play every team once then again against the rest of the teams in your "pool"
Joey Bungle
Team Captain
I don't care what "Vlad", the presidents or the "experts" say, 18 won't happen 7 will kill the league...country leagues complain over 14-16 teams in one league. The draw will be even more lobsided than ever.
^Definitely. this is the best way.
Much fairer system than the current one!!!! unless one conference is much easier (lower standard) than the other
AFL will sell slices of each conference to each TV station including PayTV.... BIGGER BUCK$....they all have to buy each slice to keep their advertising "national"
Oscilate the other conference 9 games play each home, then each away, every second year then 3 rd year swap the 5 Vic teams into different conference for 2 year cycle then return to the beginning again!!!
Add up all point in 4 year cycle and have a world series play off!!!
Already there are too many teams to have a fair and even comp, even though in my opinion all you do is scrap pre-season and have a 30 round season.
If they bring in another 2 teams they must split the competition into 2 divisions, with the new teams automatically starting in division 2. Unless they are prepared to play 34 rounds this is the only unbiased way to do it.
No other competition in the world has teams playing half the opposition once and the other half twice.
Have a relegation at the end of the season where the bottom two of div1 get dropped to div2 to replace the 2 teams that make the grand final in div2.
YOU WILL NOT GET TANKING AT ALL.
If they bring in another 2 teams they must split the competition into 2 divisions, with the new teams automatically starting in division 2. Unless they are prepared to play 34 rounds this is the only unbiased way to do it.
No other competition in the world has teams playing half the opposition once and the other half twice.
Have a relegation at the end of the season where the bottom two of div1 get dropped to div2 to replace the 2 teams that make the grand final in div2.
YOU WILL NOT GET TANKING AT ALL.
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This topic has been brought up again with Lethal not happy with thoughts of only 17 games for a season.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/04/21/2223490.htm?section=sport
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/04/21/2223490.htm?section=sport
18 teams is easy if you split into 3 divisions of 6. Each team plays the teams in their division twice, and the teams outside their division once, for a total of 22 games!
Barassi division:
Melbourne
Geelong
Sydney
West Sydney
Brisbane
Gold Coast
Kernahan division:
Carlton
Collingwood
Essendon
Richmond
Port Adelaide
Adelaide
Judd division:
St Kilda
Hawthorn
Bulldogs
North Melbourne
West Coast
Fremantle
Top 3 of each division automatically finish top 4. The next best 5 teams make up the finals. Everyone plays their rivals twice in a year, travels the same number of times as their rivals, and competes directly against teams with the same schedule as them for a finals berth. Teams would play outside their division on an alternating schedule, guaranteeing every Victorian team 2 home matches against a 'big 4' team every year. Season length remains the same, blockbusters and derbies are accounted for, everyone gets their interests looked after. What would make more sense than that?
Barassi division:
Melbourne
Geelong
Sydney
West Sydney
Brisbane
Gold Coast
Kernahan division:
Carlton
Collingwood
Essendon
Richmond
Port Adelaide
Adelaide
Judd division:
St Kilda
Hawthorn
Bulldogs
North Melbourne
West Coast
Fremantle
Top 3 of each division automatically finish top 4. The next best 5 teams make up the finals. Everyone plays their rivals twice in a year, travels the same number of times as their rivals, and competes directly against teams with the same schedule as them for a finals berth. Teams would play outside their division on an alternating schedule, guaranteeing every Victorian team 2 home matches against a 'big 4' team every year. Season length remains the same, blockbusters and derbies are accounted for, everyone gets their interests looked after. What would make more sense than that?
Given that blockbusters & derbies remain the same why have those teams in the same divisions.Spreading these teamsout means that a fairer amount of travel is done by more teams.
The top 3 automatically finish top 4???????????How do you explain this?
He means division winners automatically finish top 4, with a double chance. The other 5 teams that get into the finals are "wild cards."
I'd rather have a 3 division system like this:
Western = WC, Freo, PA, Adel, and 2 victorians.
Central/Southern = 6 victorians.
Eastern/Northern = Syd, BL, GC, NSW, and 2 victorians.
The victorian clubs rotate in and out of divisions each year.
Every single team plays 14 home state games and 8 away.
Oh, and the answer to the main question:
22.
34 rounds and scrap the NAB cup
seriously this 17 round proposal is the biggest bunch of crap i have ever heard. It is hardly even a season. IF i lived in Melourne there is no way i would take out a membership for 8 home games. it simply reduces the amount of football for the fans, but the players don't think about that even though it is the fans that pay for their over inflated salaries.
what bunch of lazy soft *****. we can only hope that the comments made by gale and Burton do not reflect the opinions of the majority of AFL players.
seriously this 17 round proposal is the biggest bunch of crap i have ever heard. It is hardly even a season. IF i lived in Melourne there is no way i would take out a membership for 8 home games. it simply reduces the amount of football for the fans, but the players don't think about that even though it is the fans that pay for their over inflated salaries.
what bunch of lazy soft *****. we can only hope that the comments made by gale and Burton do not reflect the opinions of the majority of AFL players.
He's lost the plot a bit, though. 23 less games isn't anythign like a third. More like an eighth.
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