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That's what I was thinking. Round 15 1910 if Wiki can be trusted. If you look at the film carefully you can see that the Guernsey and shorts are different shades.
1909 VFL Grand Final, South Melbourne vs Carlton Footage
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The VFL in the early years of the 20th century was the biggest football competition in the biggest city in Australia. (Sydney didn't overtake Melbourne in population until after 1910.)
Crowds of 30 to 40 thousand attended matches. (The population of Perth at Federation in 1901 was under 28,000)
Premiership tallies ranked by percentage of seasons contested.
The Fitzroy player wearing a pre 1909 lace-up guernsey confirms that the other team is Fitzroy and the match is round 15 1910 at Victoria Park (see previous post/s)
And no Wikipedia should not be trusted:
Verified results of all matches are here or here.
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Before the 'Coleman Medal' was instituted in 1981 (and retrospectively awarded back to 1955 in 2004), the leading goalkicker of the year was the player who scored the most goals in all matches including finals.
In 1941 Sel Murray was pipped by Norm Smith who kicked 89 goals for the season including 4 in the finals.
However the AFL in 2004 retrospectively awarded 'leading goalkicker' medals to the players who kicked the most goals in the rounds before the finals before 1955 . So Sel Murray has the 'leading goalkicker' medal now for 1941.
See list: http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/alltime/leadinggk.html
2012-1955 the player with the most goals in the 'Home and Away' season has the 'Coleman Medal'
1897-1954 the player with the most goals in the 'Home and Away' season has the 'Leading Goalkicker Medal'
AustralianFootball.com is in error in not listing Sel Murray in the list of North Melbourne, League 'leading goalkickers'.
I'll let you tell them - and you could check and see if they have others in accordance with the 2004 decision.
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Thanks Roger.
Sel wasn't amongst the superstar goal kickers, but his haul of 88 goals from 17 matches in 1941 was a pretty good effort considering North only won 5 games that year.
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haha, had a feeling you might say that.
hmm, I got a (small) pay rise this week, perhaps I'd better do just that
Thats very interesting, i wonder what those stats would tell us if they included playing in in GF's (rather than just winning )or just making it to finals.The VFL in the early years of the 20th century was the biggest football competition in the biggest city in Australia. (Sydney didn't overtake Melbourne in population until after 1910.)
Crowds of 30 to 40 thousand attended matches. (The population of Perth at Federation in 1901 was under 28,000)
Premiership tallies ranked by percentage of seasons contested.
Collingwood would be a mile ahead.
As you can see success leads to big supporter bases.
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I endorse this ladder wholeheartedly.The VFL in the early years of the 20th century was the biggest football competition in the biggest city in Australia. (Sydney didn't overtake Melbourne in population until after 1910.)
Crowds of 30 to 40 thousand attended matches. (The population of Perth at Federation in 1901 was under 28,000)
Premiership tallies ranked by percentage of seasons contested.
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If you count the Brisbane Lions as a separate entity, then they're on top.
But otherwise, that's the fairest way to judge success in the game. Mmhmm.
But otherwise, that's the fairest way to judge success in the game. Mmhmm.
His on-paper record reads very well.
- goalless on debut, then third-fastest to 300 goals behind Hudson and Coleman
- goalless only three times - equal best with Hudson among players who played 100+ games
- one of seven players to have kicked a bag of 9 or more at two clubs
- played 1937-48 but spent all of 1947 in the Reserves, kicking 123
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Those are outstanding statistics when one considers the quality of that company.
Pretty good footage! Interesting to see the players throwing the ball up in the air and punching it and the place kicks. interesting to see Swans players with sashes on backwards and Carlton in two different strips. Were there players wearing caps as well? For the record Carlton were navey with a gold top, not white as some have suggested. People really dressed up back in those days when they went out didn't they!
Swan's socks look right out of the wizard of oz. The video needs someone playing piano in the back ground (like the family guy dudes).
Swan's socks look right out of the wizard of oz. The video needs someone playing piano in the back ground (like the family guy dudes).
If you got on a soap box in the city preaching that in 60 years a man would walk on the moon, you would've been locked up as insane.
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Amazing thread. Thanks very much for the info to our resident historians.
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Carlton had home ground advantage in the 1945 GF
The match had to be played at Princes Park because the MCG was still in use as a US Army depot
Pity the film didn't show all the rough stuff -ten players were reported and > 60 weeks of suspension dished out
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Anyone know how the NFSA works?
I note through the search function on their website they have a stack of old football footage that I haven't seen anywhere else before.
I note through the search function on their website they have a stack of old football footage that I haven't seen anywhere else before.
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I'm guessing it might be Albert 'Bert' Franks, South's feared ruckman who had a reputation as a loose cannon.
In 1907 he was cleared of a charge of kicking an umpire, but Carlton's committee complained that he had struck two of their players in the same match, and the ensuing suspension saw him miss the Grand Final in which Carlton defeated South by 5 points.
In the 1909 GF he "heroically" took two saving marks to deny Carlton in the dying minutes, and when the bell rang, "the burly West Australian was mobbed by well-wishers".
The following year he attended the tribunal hearing of teammate Dick Casey, and afterwards, incensed at Casey's suspension, he reputedly attacked and abused the witnessing umpire outside the building (former Collingwood premiership player, Lardie Tulloch). Although the assault charge was not proven, the League suspended him at its leisure and he wasn't permitted to play again until 1912, after missing 33 games.
According to stats.rleague.com Bert Franks was 180 cm and 92 kg
He must have been quite physically imposing those days but a long way from 200cm ruckmen of today
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No Yanks at the MCG in 1945 - it was an RAAF Personnel Depot. All RAAF personnel returning from war service including repatriated prisoners of war were processed at the MCG. This continued into 1946 with the MCG not available for football until round 17 of the 1946 season.
Carlton 1897 - 1913
Canvas Blue lace-up jumpers with chamois reinforcing on the shoulders and laces. The chamois was dyed White, but faded to reveal the chamois.
1908: Woollen jumpers without chamois reinforcing introduced as an alternative, monogram added from 1909.
http://www.footyjumpers.com/
See here: Performance - Eras (Will be updated to end of 2012 by Monday 8 October)
(Collingwood ranks first in percentage of Grand Finals played from seasons contested (10.5% ahead of the next) and 14th in percentage of Grand Finals won.
West Coast leads in percentage of finals series played from seasons contested - Collingwood ranks 14th in percentage of finals matches won.)
Even by 1909 standards, he wasn't exceedingly tall. The AFL's historical stats pages listed heights and weights for about half the 354 players used that season, and there were 42 taller players (up to 193cm for Dave McNamara). Franks was one of the heaviest players though - only four were heavier (up to 96kg).
Average player height through the years:
Weight:
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It's really eerie watching a video knowing that every single person in that game and crowd is dead.
Or at least 114 years old.
Or at least 114 years old.
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