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Just discussing our backline in 2008, in 2008 we lost to carlton x2 hawthorn x2, , Nth Melb x2, Western Bulldogs Brisbane, Essendon, Fremantle.
Now in both carlton games fevola kicked bags so fev bet collingwood, against hawthorn it was buddy and roughie, against essendon it was welsh and Llyod that ripped us apart and a lazy 3 from reimers.
Freo was keppler bradley who played up foward wit jeff farmer kicking 3 goals each.
Brisbane bradshaw and brown both kicked 5 between them in the wet and had alot more scoring shots between them to.
Nth melb game, well both games i feel though as we got robbed, all credit to the roos but i felt those games we were smashed by certain people and also there small fowards ripped us apart.
Western Bulldogs well we were just plain unlucky wit having ben reid and rocca injured before half time, leaving us with 2 on the bench.
St. Kilda 1 word riewoldt(semi final)

Now ive noticed a pattern, and i think that is where we lost games. we dont have a reliable backman, however we might in 2 years time when J.A, BROWN, HARRY O, AND GOLDIE. all are men, but i totally think we should chase a key backman that has experience in the pre season, because i just dont think presti is up to it in 2009, and i dont think leigh brown is the answer.
I dont want to mention this guys name but his from melbourne. I think this bloke could help out in the backline this year and stop the players like fev Llyods and Halls.:eek: CARROL?
Now that wakes is gone he could do his roll for a couple of years??

your thoughts pies fans???
 
When teams win, a forward kicks a bag of goals. It isn't uncommon.

Take the best defence in the league. When that team has lost, a bag of goals was probably kicked by a forward.
 
Ben Reid.
We have a plethora of key forwards-
Cloke, Rocca, Rusling, Dawes, Anthony
And a severe lack of quality backs. The wraps within the club for Ben Reid are rather massive and CHB might allow him a positve pathway to fullfilling his potential. Throw Presti in the mix, forget Carroll and run with what we've got.
 

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Brown should be better, he started well in 08 and then tired as the year progressed which is normal for a first year player.

Presti (if fit) will make a massive difference, he is our number 1 stopper.

Harry O, Maxwell, Goldsack are options as the medium defender

H.Shaw, B.Johnson, Clarke lead the way of a host of small defensive options

If the future plan for Reid is play him at CHB, play him at CHB for the VFL team for the first half of the year and see how he goes
 
What makes you think Ben Reid can play down back?

He was drafted as a forward, and has been played as a forward!

Dont just throw him down back for the sake of it, we should use Reid in his best position.
 
I know this has been said in the past, but it still applies and is definitely relevant to your analysis...

Have a look in the middle of the ground and you will find an answer or two. Carlton, Hawthorn, St.Kilda and the bulldogs all have superior midfields compared to us. Kangaroos probably do too.

It really wouldn't matter too much who was in the opposition forward line, if the leather is coming in thick and fast, and lace out, we will be beaten.

Our improvement in 2009 will be in two areas. 1/ our midfield will improve. with the likes of Didak, Shaw, Swan, Pendlebury, Thomas, Davis, O'Bree, as well as McCarthy, Wellingham, Cook and Stanley coming on, we should be winning more midfield ball than last year, reducing supply into the opposition forward line. Add into that mix one or two draft picks (although you wouldn't expect much impact in 09), and we have a decent midfield set up.

Secondly, Brown and O'Brien will continue to improve and hopefully JA gets his chance to cement himself downback. I don't think Goldsac will ever be the type of player to match up on the blokes you have mentioned. He is more of a runner than a KP. And, if Presti is injury free (big 'if' I know) he will be able to stand a few of the guys you have mentioned.

I would back in these two areas of improvement over picking a bloke like Carrol.
 
M-Train said:
What makes you think Ben Reid can play down back?

He was drafted as a forward, and has been played as a forward!

Dont just throw him down back for the sake of it, we should use Reid in his best position.
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Point taken but what makes you think he can't play down back? Anthony was drafted as a back but did pretty damn well playing forward in his first 11 games of senior footy. Strange how these things work.

Great teams have great KPBs.

He also played there in the last game in VFL 2008, a sign of what they may be thinking.
 
Reid and Anthony are both very versatile units and give us freedom. As for our backline the lack is over stated because of our bad midfield. Most of the games our backline was exposed it was more our midfield got flogged and the leading fowards had space to roam with our man on man defence.

In the Carlton game no defender in the league would have stopped Fev with that delivery. No defender in the league stopped Buddy all year etc.

Another key sized defender would be handy but one of Reid or Anthony will end up their anyway IMO. Harry can play tall on lead up players so long as they aren't great body on body monster fowards too. I think we have the making of a very good backline with at least adequate match ups for pretty much all foward lines.
 
M-Train said:
What makes you think Ben Reid can play down back?

He was drafted as a forward, and has been played as a forward!

Dont just throw him down back for the sake of it, we should use Reid in his best position.
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Nathan Brown was drafted as forward and Mitch a backman, at their respective clubs their roles have now been reversed. Reid is a very talented and athletic bloke, he has pace and a with little strength and some experience he could go a long way.
 
I have a strong feeling that hine will pick a kp backman in national draft to help cement our backline for the next decade.

One of Trengrove,hurley,post,gartner,guigliotto will fall to us.

If not,then i have afeeling that we will pick up leigh brown to cover for presti and allow the rest of our brigade to develop.

We desperately need someone strong and quick who could take the likes of Franklin,and fev on.

Brown although very good can't keep up with these two.
 

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daics cousin said:
One of Trengrove,hurley,post,gartner,guigliotto will fall to us.

If not,then i have afeeling that we will pick up leigh brown to cover for presti and allow the rest of our brigade to develop.

We desperately need someone strong and quick who could take the likes of Franklin,and fev on.

Brown although very good can't keep up with these two.
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Name one backmen who could beat either of those two one on one if the midfield is losing. It is no suprise that Scarlett and Glass have played in sides with very good midfields. No doubt they are outstanding defenders but playing in teams with good mids makes their job easier. Rutten who is the other fullback held in high regards of recent times plays in a side where his opponent almost never has space to lead into.

When fowards like Fev tear us up it has been because the delivery into the foward line has had little pressure and the foward has had space to lead into. I don't know if there is a defender in the league who can stop either of Fev or Franklin in these circumstances. That's why Fev kicks 90's in a woeful side and Buddy has near on 200 shots at goal.

How do you try to maintain fowards this good. A take away the supply or at least hinder the quality of the supply. The way you do that is win the midfield pressure the ball carrier etc. The other way to do it is to try and congest as much of the leading space as possible. For the big Buddy that is near on impossible because he turns on a 10 cent peice and can get the ball anywhere in the 50
 
It doesn't help that MM is a useless gameday coach sometimes and refuses to change matchups and leaves the backmen one on one even when they're getting flogged.
 
I like our defence a lot. Harry is always getting a fist in against taller opponents, Moneybags has go go gadget arms, Brown has been absolutely awesome and has a big body and nice presence. With Maxwell and possibly Jack A and Reid I think it looks handsome.

I haven't forgotten Presti, but I think he may struggle fitness wise. Also floating around back as smaller options are Clarke, Shaw and the laconic looking Cox.

Still, I'm not opposed to grabbing Leigh Brown at pick 77 just as insurance. I defer to Hine's judgement if that's the way we decide to go. No great loss pick 77. But if we don't go that way, that's cool baby.
 
WaxedCuz said:
His style of coaching doesn't suit certain games and he has been hamstrung with a workhorse list up until now but there is no doubt he is more suited to finals than any other coach.. if the players get him there he can extract more out of them than anyone else going around can.. he is the finals specialist
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I actually think his succes rate in finals has a lot to do with the style of football and game plans used all year. In the high pressure and physical style of football that finals bring. We keep it simple and are often more a customed to kicking the ball long, applying pressure and winning the one on ones.
 
Chase the Ace said:
You should attend a few games and you will see how silly your post is
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Mate i try and make it to around 10 games a year, instead of making a comment like this why not tell me how i am wrong? Semi final, we were constantly being flooded which made delivery into our f50 very hard. Then on the flip side we left Kosi, Roo & Milne one out. In my opinion this is what lost us the game. Didn't help that MM left Dal to run around all night kicking perfect passes to Roo.

I said sometimes MM is a poor game day coach, sometimes he comes out with something spectacular but other times i leave games wondering what happened.
 
popathon said:
Mate i try and make it to around 10 games a year, instead of making a comment like this why not tell me how i am wrong? Semi final, we were constantly being flooded which made delivery into our f50 very hard. Then on the flip side we left Kosi, Roo & Milne one out. In my opinion this is what lost us the game. Didn't help that MM left Dal to run around all night kicking perfect passes to Roo.

I said sometimes MM is a poor game day coach, sometimes he comes out with something spectacular but other times i leave games wondering what happened.
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Better still explain to me how a coach stops a flood?

Does he pin those flooding to the ground?
or
Does he get a couple of our guys to tie them up in the middle?.


While you're pondering, here's a clue, if an opposition coach tells his players to ignore his man/position and flood there is NOTHING our coach can do.

I think I'll say it again for you..... NOTHING
 
Our defense is rather solid with O'Brien, Shaw, Brown and Presti holding it up, hopefully Reid can develop into a good CHB. Its midfield improvement that will help our backline and the entire team.

We lose alot of games we should win because the other team floods, its great to go one on one when the other team floods if you have a very good midfield, we don't. When another teams floods, we need to flood back, its simple, it becomes a game of attrition and might be ugly but otherwise the other teams forwards are left 1 out and with our poor midfield, they get good delivery and usually beat us, as seen by the Saints and Carlton.
 
Chase the Ace said:
Better still explain to me how a coach stops a flood?

Does he pin those flooding to the ground?
or
Does he get a couple of our guys to tie them up in the middle?.


While you're pondering, here's a clue, if an opposition coach tells his players to ignore his man/position and flood there is NOTHING our coach can do.

I think I'll say it again for you..... NOTHING
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No need to be a smart ass i never said he could do anything to stop it, i said that on the flip side we left our backmen one on one and they got mauled for it. True there isn't much you can do against a flood but in my opinion a lot of other coaches deal with it better than MM. I'm not an MM hater i love what he does (most of the time) i just think there are a few queries over his gameday decisions and he doesn't mix thins up enough for my liking.
 
I think we have a very well organised defense. We were picked apart by a very smart North side but the big losses came when a quick tall FF went on a tear: thats everyone's problem, not just ours and you have to win those games out of the middle.

The point about Brown being slow is one I take with a heavy heart. Hes a brilliant kid but I put him behind Shaw, Maxwell, Harry, and even Presti in importance to our defense, because a lack of pace is about the biggest Achilles heel a player can have these days.
 
shawthing09 said:
Name one backmen who could beat either of those two one on one if the midfield is losing. It is no suprise that Scarlett and Glass have played in sides with very good midfields. No doubt they are outstanding defenders but playing in teams with good mids makes their job easier. Rutten who is the other fullback held in high regards of recent times plays in a side where his opponent almost never has space to lead into.

When fowards like Fev tear us up it has been because the delivery into the foward line has had little pressure and the foward has had space to lead into. I don't know if there is a defender in the league who can stop either of Fev or Franklin in these circumstances. That's why Fev kicks 90's in a woeful side and Buddy has near on 200 shots at goal.

How do you try to maintain fowards this good. A take away the supply or at least hinder the quality of the supply. The way you do that is win the midfield pressure the ball carrier etc. The other way to do it is to try and congest as much of the leading space as possible. For the big Buddy that is near on impossible because he turns on a 10 cent peice and can get the ball anywhere in the 50
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Actually Scarlett was AA FB in 2003,2004 when our Midfield wasn't that good.
 

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