2011 Formula One World Championship - Round Seven - Canadian Grand Prix (10-12 June 2011)

[SebastianVettel]

I thought Vettel handled himself very well after the race. Acknowledged his mistake and was gracious even though he'd be pissed off at himself.

I don't really get all the hate, tbh.

I'd assume partly from some of the bad things he did last year, Turkey in particular, but even if not for that, it'd probably be at a similar level here anyway. It is what it is. But his reputation as a person in the paddock is very high, so that's probably all that matters. I remember when he took out JB at Spa last year and Whitmarsh had a crack at him which was fair enough, he made sure to mention that "He's a great guy, but", even in those circumstances. I think if anyone here actually met the guy they'd be very surprised.

Bit disappointing to lose it on a very rare mistake on the last lap, but I'm not sure he wouldn't have been swamped in one of the DRS zones anyway. Their setup of it was a bit Turkey-esque - i.e. sail past on the straight before the corner. I'm surprised they can't seem to get it right, surely there's a mathmatical formula that takes into account the relevant information that should translate to all circuits. A frustrating mistake, but Seb is still a work in progress as a driver at 23, so it'll certainly be a valuable learning experience.

Terrific drive from Jenson. Hard to begrudge him that win, he certainly earned it! I don't think he had any fault in the Hamilton crash at all. Lewis has tried a heap of those moves on JB before, and Jenson has let him go nearly every single time. The time was coming where he wasn't going to be so accomadating - and that was this morning. Lewis wasn't anywhere near 'halfway up' as he claimed, and Jenson is under no obligation to give him a free pass through.

Much like the inter-team crash at Turkey last year, I think the right guy was forced to retire from the race.

Then there was the ridiculous on the first corner of the start with Webber. Astonishingly crazy.

Cracking race though. Well worth sticking it out until 7:30 in the morning or whatever it was by the time it finished. Really exciting.

Plus I cleaned up on a Button win with Sportsbet. 15 bucks for one of the only guys with a wet setup. Easy money once it was sort of dry, but not quite. His pace in the last stint was amazing, just had so much more grip than anyone else. Kudos to McLaren for going the right way on strategy.

 

[drd23]

Based on this season any Hamilton hate is justified. Absolute cowboy

My Hamilton hate dates back to his first season because he was doing back then what he is coping flak for now

 

[Herbs]

Niki Lauda's gone absolutely spare at Hamilton's antics, saying that Lewis will eventually kill someone. Bit of an exaggeration, but still, the British golden boy needs to pull his head in.

 

[JUBJUB]

Niki Lauda's gone absolutely spare at Hamilton's antics, saying that Lewis will eventually kill someone. Bit of an exaggeration, but still, the British golden boy needs to pull his head in.

His comment that Hamilton is mad [insane,not angry] is spot on

 

[BomberFletch31]

My Hamilton hate dates back to his first season because he was doing back then what he is coping flak for now

I recall Hamilton's first season being exemplary. If anything it was Alonso that I hated from the 2007 season, being the whinger when McLaren refused to give him absolute number 1 status over Hamilton. Hamilton rattled Alonso and Alonso threw his toys out the pram, simple as that.

I've liked Hamilton ever since his debut, but his behaviour lately has been somewhat questionable. I wonder what's gotten into him.

 

[Sven]

I recall Hamilton's first season being exemplary. If anything it was Alonso that I hated from the 2007 season, being the whinger when McLaren refused to give him absolute number 1 status over Hamilton. Hamilton rattled Alonso and Alonso threw his toys out the pram, simple as that.

I've liked Hamilton ever since his debut, but his behaviour lately has been somewhat questionable. I wonder what's gotten into him.

There's a worrying trend in most of these Hamilton moves, he comes from way back with ultra late breaking and puts his car far too fast into a corner where the other drivers car already is. This is followed by the inevitable crash and then Hamilton bemoaning the fact that the car in front turned into the corner too early.

I don't blame him for the crash with Button though, he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. There was no way Button would have known he was there, and if Button had moved the other way the pass would have had a chance of coming off (no pun intended)

 

[drd23]

Hamilton has been throwing his car into tight and non-existent gaps from day 1, its just that he has somehow been able to make them stick up until midway through last year. I think that him making those passes early in his career has given him a bit of an entitlement complex which is why he is trying to make even more crazy attempts and then blaming the subsequent failures on everyone else.

As for Alonso, I've never really hated him. Sure he had a tantrum in his only year at McLaren, but I think that he was promised something that the team never gave him. Alonso tried to get the team around him and it didnt happen. It should also be remembered that he wasnt the only person to blow the whistle on spy-gate, DLR did too.

 

[rayven]

'Sebastian Vettel ist on absolut limit' - understood that bit.

It would be interesting watching with the BBC commontary vs the german one.

They were basicaly going on about how Buttun has one shot with DRS and he's gotta get it right, they were wrong.

They tell me the RB7 won't have as much grip come Britian? they say GGB (german Golden boy) will have to 'drive' it abit more?

I wonder though about GBGB (Great britians golden boy) he's struggling.

 

[SebastianVettel]

They tell me the RB7 won't have as much grip come Britian? they say GGB (german Golden boy) will have to 'drive' it abit more?

Everyone will have to. Well, everyone that runs EBDs.

I'm surprised they're banning the cold blowing from Silverstone as well. I thought they might just crack down on the hot blowing from Silverstone, and ban the cold blowing from next year.

Even still, I'm not convinced they should be banning the cold blowing anyway. It doesn't really come with any extra expense like the hot blowing does.

 

[Magma]

a lot of hamilton's moves seem to just reek desperation. i'm not sure why, he as the skill, talent and a fast car beneath him. he seemed so calm and collected in his first couple of season, but him in monaco was a shambles. you cant just launch yourself down the inside there, ridiculous.

 

[rayven]

Everyone will have to. Well, everyone that runs EBDs.

I hear this change is aimed at bringing the RB7 back to the pack ,so to speak.

 

[Frankster177]

I recall Hamilton's first season being exemplary. If anything it was Alonso that I hated from the 2007 season, being the whinger when McLaren refused to give him absolute number 1 status over Hamilton. Hamilton rattled Alonso and Alonso threw his toys out the pram, simple as that.

I've liked Hamilton ever since his debut, but his behaviour lately has been somewhat questionable. I wonder what's gotten into him.

He did shoot his mouth off a bit, saying that other drivers should get out of his way.
Alonso was reigning champ, usually they are respected. Pity he wasnt over golden boy.
Great driver hamilton, can be a bit of a prat at times.
That git voice of his....

 

[Simple Jack]

Everyone will have to. Well, everyone that runs EBDs.

I'm surprised they're banning the cold blowing from Silverstone as well. I thought they might just crack down on the hot blowing from Silverstone, and ban the cold blowing from next year.

Even still, I'm not convinced they should be banning the cold blowing anyway. It doesn't really come with any extra expense like the hot blowing does.

Wait what? I thought they were only banning hot blowing from Silverstone and then all blowing from next year by specifying the location of the exhaust?

I actually think this will help AMW, apparantly before RBR brought in the electronically controlled ******ed ignition he was better at handling the car than Vettel. Old, manual vs Younger, electronics+everything automated type situation.

In regards to Hamiltons overtaking moves, he is trying to drive like he is Senna, but he isn't and other drivers arn't just going to let him barge through, ending up in shunts.

 

[NSWCROW]

Just watched it
Made it to 5am mon morning til i pulled the pin...thank god i pressed record !!!

I'm gonna say it - Greatest drive of all time ( or at least the greatest i've seen )

I didn't have a massive problem with the Spam / AMW incident ( apart from the usual ) , square up for singapore last year.
Spam / Jenson though.....moron who needs to go away and have a good think about it between races......loose cannon atm who SHOULD know better.

Special shoutout to the canadian marshals who had teh WORST.....WEEKEND.....FOR......MARSHALS.....EVAR !!!!!!!!

 

[SebastianVettel]

I hear this change is aimed at bringing the RB7 back to the pack ,so to speak.

All the big teams use some degree of hot blowing. Red Bull, McLaren, Ferrari, Mercedes and Renault. Force India might as well, not 100% sure. I don't think it'll really affect any of them more than each other.

It will reduce the gap somewhat back to those others who only cold blow. STR, Williams and the other smaller teams.

Wait what? I thought they were only banning hot blowing from Silverstone and then all blowing from next year by specifying the location of the exhaust?

That was my understanding too, until I found out otherwise. This is certainly what Sam Michael was suggesting at Monaco. Appears they've gone 100% on it, which to me is disappointing, as I like the idea of blown diffusers. Seems they want to stop a development race on it, which is fair enough in regards to hot blowing, that's an expensive process that wastes fuel and damages engines. IMO there's many more expensive development wars out there than cold blown exhaust diffusers.

I don't think they actually hot blow during races anyway from what I understand. Not fuel efficient enough, and I would imagine you'd completely trash the engine if you did it constantly.

I actually think this will help AMW, apparantly before RBR brought in the electronically controlled ******ed ignition he was better at handling the car than Vettel. Old, manual vs Younger, electronics+everything automated type situation.

Potentially. There was an ECU upgrade halfway through last season that rendered a specialised technique Webber was using, not useless, but not as important. However, the shift wasn't massive from it, at least in qualifying terms, and it's hard to know what impact it would have, particularly now without such extravagent diffuser designs.

AMWs problem still appears to be turning on the tyres in order to carry more speed through the fast corners. This is the thing that's really probably making the difference in reality.

In regards to Hamiltons overtaking moves, he is trying to drive like he is Senna, but he isn't and other drivers arn't just going to let him barge through, ending up in shunts.

What I was going to say before. The guy seems to think he's some kind of Senna reincarnate. Senna was a dangerous driver at times too, but he had the talent to pull some of the more risky moves off. Hamilton can be a great overtaker, but he's desperate, impatient, and at the moment, writing cheques his talent can't cash.

 

[Sven]

The banning off hot and cold blown diffusers at Silverstone DOES NOT mean that exhaust blown diffusers (EBD) are banned. The ban on EBD is to take effect for the 2012 season.

Here is a direct quote from Charlie Whiting...

The terms that are being thrown around are ‘hot-blowing’ and ‘cold-blowing’. What’s the difference?
CW: As I understand it, cold blowing is just cutting spark and the fuel and keeping the throttles open [ie pumping air through the exhaust]. Hot blowing, as I understand it, is introducing fuel, igniting the fuel, but ******ing the ignition.

source: http://www.redbull.com.au/cs/Satellite/en_AU/Article/Tech-Talk--Blowing-hot-air-021243020421209

Hot and cold blowing is using a different engine mapping to create more airflow through the diffuser when the engine is reduced in revs.

Ultimately, how do you intend to enforce this? Will teams be required to change their diffusers, or just change the engine map software that lets then blow the diffuser when off-throttle?
CW: Just the mapping.

The change in the rules can be enforced through the ECU for the engine, which is a homologated, standard part, in F1.

8.2 Control electronics :
8.2.1 All components of the engine and gearbox, including clutch, differential and KERS in addition to all associated actuators must be controlled by an Electronic Control Unit (ECU) which has been manufactured by an FIA designated supplier to a specification determined by the FIA.
The ECU may only be used with FIA approved software and may only be connected to the control system wiring loom, sensors and actuators in a manner specified by the FIA.

http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules_and_regulations/technical_regulations/8701/fia.html

 

[drd23]

What I was going to say before. The guy seems to think he's some kind of Senna reincarnate. Senna was a dangerous driver at times too, but he had the talent to pull some of the more risky moves off. Hamilton can be a great overtaker, but he's desperate, impatient, and at the moment, writing cheques his talent can't cash.

The British media is partly responsible for this IMO. They've built him up as some sort of overtaking genius and i think that he has bought into is over the past year or so

 

[BomberFletch31]

Alonso was reigning champ, usually they are respected. Pity he wasnt over golden boy.

I don't care if he's won the world championship once, twice, or ten times, respect is to be earnt. Behaving like a prick when McLaren refused to give him number 1 status within the team isn't behaviour that is worthy of any respect.

Alonso is a prick. I'm glad he didn't see out his contract at McLaren. Paying him out of his contract was too kind. Any company would've sacked an employee with that kind of behaviour, contract or no contract.

 

[drd23]

Its kinda "chicken or the egg" though.

Did McLaren not respect him because he was behaving like a prick or did he begin to behave like a prick because McLaren favoured Hamilton over him despite Alonso being the better/more proven driver?

 

[ManWithNoName]

Its kinda "chicken or the egg" though.

Did McLaren not respect him because he was behaving like a prick or did he begin to behave like a prick because McLaren favoured Hamilton over him despite Alonso being the better/more proven driver?

McLaren never choose one driver over the other. Ron Dennis has always said that. Senna/Prost, Hakkinen/Coulthard he never had a number 1 driver. Sure DC and Mika got on fabulously and as such they helped each other but it was never team driven like with Schumacher/Rubens. Alonso showed up knowing this, but still expected the team to make him the number 1 driver. Then when it didn't happen he threw his toys out of the pram.

Unbelieveable driver though. Perfectly suited at Ferrari where he can drive for himself, which is why he's so happy there.

 

[rayven]

It's commonly known that GBGB was favoured over Alonso, it was 'fate" that GBGB would be where he was, a tiger woods like fate dare i mention?

 

[SebastianVettel]

The banning off hot and cold blown diffusers at Silverstone DOES NOT mean that exhaust blown diffusers (EBD) are banned. The ban on EBD is to take effect for the 2012 season.

It's still banned from Silverstone in terms of when a driver is off the throttle though isn't it?

It's a significant change and challenge.

 

[BomberFletch31]

It's commonly known that GBGB was favoured over Alonso, it was 'fate" that GBGB would be where he was, a tiger woods like fate dare i mention?

I don't recall Alonso ever being asked to move over for Hamilton.

 

[drd23]

I don't recall Alonso ever being asked to move over for Hamilton.

Being favoured doesnt mean that the team will make your teammate move out of the way for you like it seems to at Ferrari. Getting development parts first, having the better engineers and having the car designed towards your driving style instead of a teammates are all ways a team can favour one driver over another.

Hamilton got better treatment than Alonso during 2007 despite Alonso being the better, more proven driver. When Alonso saw this, he tried to get McLaren to favour him, but they didn't, and that caused him to "act like a prick"

 

[BomberFletch31]

despite Alonso being the better, more proven driver.

Disagree. Hamilton might seem to be a shadow of his former self at the moment, but at his best he is every bit as good as Alonso.

Even if what you say is true, that doesn't excuse Alonso's behaviour. If there were in fact evidence to substantiate your claim, then the only course of action for Alonso was to accept his place in the team. If he began to out-drive and out-race Hamilton, the natural thing for the team to do would be to back him. Instead, he chose to blackmail the team . He should've done his talking on the track.