Strategy 2014 game plan improvements

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cant see anything even remotely looking like this on the board, so figure i will start one up

2013 i thought we had a very good game plan, at least the concept framework and idea was exceptional, only that it requires some tuning and altering to go the next step and win a premiership, too many occasions this year it showed up to have slight flaws and deficiencies, nothing drastic, thought the personnel loss accumulated and made it look way worse than it was such as losing simpson and hawkins back primarily

some of the big key deficiencies i thought our game plan had that really cost us were

1- our spread was not varied enough, it was very good i thought, but towards the middle of the year i think it began to get worked out, we would spread in large numbers very much in straight direction, we would rarely spread out wide or move diagonal, this began to make it easier to plan creating turn overs. I really did like the way we spread, the timing and the way they worked in groups was a huge improvement in 2012, just think they need to take it another level and add more tricks to the way we spread as a team, assess the situations ahead and become less predictable moving in waves from handball 1 2 3 to 4 or 5.

2- we got slaughtered on the rebound across HF! i think this is a continuation of number 1, too many times this year we would turn the ball over by hand, having been run down across our HF line, you only need to watch the brisbane and collingwood games to see how much this killed us, and teams followed suit for the rest of the year. almost every single game we lost it was an opposition HB flanker that was given BOG or got 30+ touches.. rich, mitchel, obrien. I think its happening for two reasons, first we are too predictable with our spread by hand, teams are able to pre empt well where we would be going to move it and pressure accordingly across HF, and secondly, we would over commit our players going forward in waves, opening us up on the counter attack

I think we should make it an aim in 2014 to retain possession of the ball across HF, we need a plan B moving into our forward half, that if our players are not open streaming forward, that we re evaluate and hit up a man either wider backwards or on a lead, don't take the game on around half forward and risk a turnover, i liked the way we did move it this year, but at times we really overcooked it. I would rather have someone mark the ball 70M out and evaluate the situation either moving it on quickly or slowing it down if nothing is on, AVOID a turn over at all costs here!!

i could go on with more but i will leave it at that now
 
Is there really a need to change a game plan that got us within a kick of a grand final. It cant be all that bad can it. Yep there are always things we can work on and change from season to season and as personal changes. You will find game plans always change from season to season. But I don't think they will be throwing the baby out with the bath water. Having a fully fit ruck division will help a lot and I think the injection of some youth will help with our pace. I have a feeling Scotty will be on top of all of this.
 
Is there really a need to change a game plan that got us within a kick of a grand final. It cant be all that bad can it. Yep there are always things we can work on and change from season to season and as personal changes. You will find game plans always change from season to season. But I don't think they will be throwing the baby out with the bath water. Having a fully fit ruck division will help a lot and I think the injection of some youth will help with our pace. I have a feeling Scotty will be on top of all of this.


i agree, as i kept saying throughout i liked our game plan, just that it had some flaws and weaknesses we need to address over the off season, i dont think the idea of concept of how we were playing is anything short of fantastic, just some tuning and alterations need to be made to go better next season. I think there were some issues with our game plan that did cost us in the end, but nothing that cant be fixed up
 

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Good OP.
Exactly the way I see it.

It's great to have 5 guys streaming down the ground together. But what happens when it gets turned over? And turn overs are a natural part of footy. Because those guys that just streamed down wont be available to stream back.

It was my opinion that the reasoning for training with North was to see if there were holes in this game plan.

If you think about it, a lot of the guys doing the streaming were our kids.
Maybe they ran out of steam later in the year? Entirely possible.

But what the game plan also did is to expose Lonergans inability to get back.
There was no Scarlett back there to help provide backup.

They have got to fix it. And I bet they are.
It might be as simple as getting another preseason into the kids AND getting decent ruck stocks so that we're saving some of that endurance by not having to win the ball back 70% of the time.
 
We were the best rebounding team in the competition this year, but we can't rest on that and we definitely need to change up the way we spread on the rebound.

A huge difference will come from having a genuine first ruck and at least breaking even on the clearances, it will help ease the pressure on our defenders, give our forward structure a chance to change up and make different leads, and just generally make us more competitive.

This year was also the first time we've averaged less tackles per game than the year before. We need to get back to putting pressure on the ball carrier at every opportunity.

The only other real change needed in my mind is the forward structure, but I believe that's just as much getting all the forwards working together, which I don't think they did last year. Too many times they just crashed into the same pack, when we should have players leading away from each other and dragging defenders away from the contest.
 
Yeah it is a bit hard to assess the plan because we were missing key personnel that may have made a difference to that plan.

Like a decent ruckman. Like a stronger midfield. Like a better forward line structure with a fit Hawkins.

Imagine the game plan we had this year with a fit Hawkins, Simpson and Menzel ! Reckon that would have made a difference.

But the fact is we need to deal with these outs or injuries so yes a plan B in some aspects of the game would be worthwhile.

We do not know about Hawkins, Simpson and HMac should be ok and for Menzel no one really knows how that will turn out.

If we could fix up the midfield I think the game plan we had maybe would have got us into a GF. Having Simpson and/or Hmac maybe will help a fair bit in the midfield but we need Caddy and Bundy to do a power of work this year to give us an edge over other midfields.

Imagine the current game plan if we had a better midfield ? We were smashed in the midfield and were within a kick of a GF. Fix the midfield and tweak the game plan and we will be fine.

But the game evolves so the game plan should also - so nothing wrong with a tweak here and there. Just do not see GFC moving too far away from what has been a pretty successful game plan for a while.

Game plans do depend to some extent on the personnel you have to carry that plan out. So it does depend a bit on who is and out of the team. We were hurt badly by the cumulative losses of Ablett, Ling and Ottens re the midfield. But if Caddy, Bundy and Simpson come on we will play our current game plan far better and more effectively.
 
I know some people hate on Scotty, and I don't like to be one of them, but he didn't really seem to have a Plan B at times, although neither did Bomber Thompson.
Plan B could have been, tag Mitchell with Bartel, Guthrie or Enright.
We have a really versatile 22 but we didn't make use of that enough.
 
Good OP.
Exactly the way I see it.

It's great to have 5 guys streaming down the ground together. But what happens when it gets turned over? And turn overs are a natural part of footy. Because those guys that just streamed down wont be available to stream back.

It was my opinion that the reasoning for training with North was to see if there were holes in this game plan.

If you think about it, a lot of the guys doing the streaming were our kids.
Maybe they ran out of steam later in the year? Entirely possible.

But what the game plan also did is to expose Lonergans inability to get back.
There was no Scarlett back there to help provide backup.

They have got to fix it. And I bet they are.
It might be as simple as getting another preseason into the kids AND getting decent ruck stocks so that we're saving some of that endurance by not having to win the ball back 70% of the time.
I had no issue with any of them streaming down the ground, it's just how and where they ran to that got us in trouble on the turnovers, it didn't vary enough and I think opposition began to work us out, and that's how the downfall started to happen in the second half of the season, I think it was all generated across our half forward line, the amount of times we would move it in predictable very straight waves and run into trouble across the 50-65 m area and have it slings hotted the other way used to make me want to tear my hair out.

Someone here also mentioned we were the best turnover team in the competition, that is true, but it all depends on where you get it as well,a lot of ours would come from the stoppages and clearances we would win due to the way we set up on the outside to pressure the opposition once they won the ball, we didn't set up to win the hard ball, we set up to take it off opposition.

I think this also became a big problem relying on this, because what I think happened is that once it became obvious to opposition this was our intention, they began spreading their players earlier knowing they would win the ball streaking forward a little bit earlier in anticipation getting into the right places.
 
I know some people hate on Scotty, and I don't like to be one of them, but he didn't really seem to have a Plan B at times, although neither did Bomber Thompson.
Plan B could have been, tag Mitchell with Bartel, Guthrie or Enright.
We have a really versatile 22 but we didn't make use of that enough.
I rate him a better coach that Thompson, would trade back for Thompson if I had the choice now, I think he is a much better tactician, in ways I think he is a excellent developer Thompson, but I'm not sold on him as a tactician, he got out coached by Lyon malthouse and clarkson
 
Good OP.
Exactly the way I see it.

It's great to have 5 guys streaming down the ground together. But what happens when it gets turned over? And turn overs are a natural part of footy. Because those guys that just streamed down wont be available to stream back.

It was my opinion that the reasoning for training with North was to see if there were holes in this game plan.

If you think about it, a lot of the guys doing the streaming were our kids.
Maybe they ran out of steam later in the year? Entirely possible.

But what the game plan also did is to expose Lonergans inability to get back.
There was no Scarlett back there to help provide backup.

They have got to fix it. And I bet they are.
It might be as simple as getting another preseason into the kids AND getting decent ruck stocks so that we're saving some of that endurance by not having to win the ball back 70% of the time.

I reckon we had the right balance over here against West Coast late in the season

We locked the ball in F50 , put on insane pressure all over the ground and most importantly had great coverage in defence - never let the Eagles get goal side on the rebound.
Even so we should have won by more as we bombed into the forwardline far too much. We need to lower our eyes more and introduce a fast lead up forward option - even more so sans Pods. This is where we miss Menzel and now Chappy for that matter.
Maybe Kersten can be this option in 2014 ?
As others have said the Ruck is the other big kicker - more clearances/ taps to advantage will go a long way to improving entry into F50 and importantly take some pressure off our Defence.
Hre's to a healthy list in 2014 :thumbsu:
 

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You can get inconsistency and fade outs when you play kids,expect more of the same next year, time to be patient.
Game plan will be directly influenced by personal available I would suggest.
Absolutely.

Not going to happen to us very often for the next few years though
 
Good OP.
Exactly the way I see it.

It's great to have 5 guys streaming down the ground together. But what happens when it gets turned over? And turn overs are a natural part of footy. Because those guys that just streamed down wont be available to stream back.

It was my opinion that the reasoning for training with North was to see if there were holes in this game plan.

If you think about it, a lot of the guys doing the streaming were our kids.
Maybe they ran out of steam later in the year? Entirely possible.

But what the game plan also did is to expose Lonergans inability to get back.
There was no Scarlett back there to help provide backup.

They have got to fix it. And I bet they are.
It might be as simple as getting another preseason into the kids AND getting decent ruck stocks so that we're saving some of that endurance by not having to win the ball back 70% of the time.


NM instigated this, maybe over Xmas lunch!?. They certainly had more to gain, and did, and probably reckon they have our measure.
We beat 2012 Premier twice, and the 2013 Premier twice, and close to a 3rd, despite a seriously depleted team.
We are clearly doing something right, and more so when/if we have a dominant ruck, AND a capable marking KF.
If you haven't got socks, you can't pull them up.
CS/MC are all over anything we could collectively offer, as you suggested.
 
List management.
We started this in 2011, and for reasons of multiple injured players, did NOT seem to do so this year.
It is possible to keep injecting fresh in form young talent into our lineup, while strategically resting the whole team at various times; some players need more than 1 bye, some several more it would appear. Winning early games should help, and we did.
 
I rate him a better coach that Thompson, would trade back for Thompson if I had the choice now, I think he is a much better tactician, in ways I think he is a excellent developer Thompson, but I'm not sold on him as a tactician, he got out coached by Lyon malthouse and clarkson

IMO Thompson was a very ordinary game day coach. He just had an excellent group of footy players that worked well as a team incredibly consistently - and the game plan worked so often that he just kept assuming it would prevail. It generally did but the loss to Hawthorn in 2008 indicated he just could not make moves when required. Stokes on Hodge - it failed and failed and failed and he did nothing !

Scott is a little better in this regard but we do need sit down and consider more moves on the chessboard more often.

Great generals of history made moves - and knew when to. They could read ahead of time when something was not working. That is the key - to recognise early when something is not working and make an adjustment to the original plan.

Please, please and please coaching staff have a few tricks up your sleeve and do not be afraid to try them out here and there in the H&A season - so we definitely have a few tricks up our sleeve come finals.
 
Game plan's fine…needs more Tom Hawkins and Dawson Simpson.

We leaked a bit too much with the small forwards and getting hurt on fast transition..

Fix that as well and I feel we have a good blueprint with your suggestions for success

Go Catters
 
2 Things that we need and would have been the difference last season
1: A healthy Ruck (Simpson/Hmac)
2: Bartel on the ball in finals
He doesn't even need to spend the whole game on the ball, even if it was just one quarter he could impact.
 
IMO Thompson was a very ordinary game day coach. He just had an excellent group of footy players that worked well as a team incredibly consistently - and the game plan worked so often that he just kept assuming it would prevail. It generally did but the loss to Hawthorn in 2008 indicated he just could not make moves when required. Stokes on Hodge - it failed and failed and failed and he did nothing !

Scott is a little better in this regard but we do need sit down and consider more moves on the chessboard more often.

Great generals of history made moves - and knew when to. They could read ahead of time when something was not working. That is the key - to recognise early when something is not working and make an adjustment to the original plan.

Please, please and please coaching staff have a few tricks up your sleeve and do not be afraid to try them out here and there in the H&A season - so we definitely have a few tricks up our sleeve come finals.
I rate Scott as a tactician highly, I thought a few adjustments here and there and our game plan would have been perfect. I just really didn't like the way our players constantly spread in the same vertical direction, our players I don't think read the situations ahead well enough on too many occasions when spreading, the way we moved the ball was direct and very attacking, and often paid off handsomely, but too often teams were able to figure our run and spread out making it easier for them to plan a turn over with pre empting where to apply more pressure. I thought hawthorn this year one of the major things they changed was they began to spread out a little wider at times than in 2012, they improved their midfield run and spread, i feel that to have a really good run and spread you need it to be trained and conditioned over a pre season to be adaptable and become instinctive to a variety of situations infront of you, I don't think ours was this season.
 

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