Position 2017 Rucks

[rocker_oz33]

The Dogs won the flag last year without a ruckman so I'm just not gonna bother with them this year.

Vardy and Peachtree R1 and R2.

 

[MightyMark]

Vardy and Peachtree R1 and R2.

How many games you hoping to get out of that duo

 

[rocker_oz33]

How many games you hoping to get out of that duo

Maybe a few moar than Hmac.

 

[MightyMark]

Maybe a few moar than Hmac.

Well thats a bar set low enough for Vardy to get over

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I think the teams would prefer a second ruckman to be playing forward rather than a forward to pinch hit in the rucks.

Guys like Tippet, Ryder, Petrie in his day and to an extent Roughy and Stanley are fairly valuable for the reason that they can essential hold down a ruck role or KPF role effectively.

Most teams dont have the luxury of guys that are just as effective in either role, so trialing dedicated rucks up forward to see if they can contribute in two roles will still be seen by all teams, as its the most effective way to provide decent ruck assistance without forgoing a players contributions elsewhere.

You dont want to run out with a single ruck option, but you also dont want to have to use you KPP as rucks.

It was ok last year to run with Gawn only, as an example ......so what's the advantage of running the 2nd specialist ruckman Spencer ? .....i am seeing reduced team speed, defensive action & flexibility ?

I thought greater team flexibility was the current AFL objective of teams ?

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

The Hawks hardly had strong ruck stocks the preceding three seasons either.

That why West Coast for flag 2017

 

[MightyMark]

It was ok last year to run with Gawn only, as an example ......so what's the advantage of running the 2nd specialist ruckman Spencer ? .....i am seeing reduced team speed, defensive action & flexibility ?

I thought greater team flexibility was the current AFL objective of teams ?

I think there is always a preference to have decent back up, they trialed some games with Pederson last year, they will try with Spencer this year, and if it fits they will stick with it. Gawn can handle it on his own, but I dont think that would be the plan for any team.

And considering Watts was the next go to guy who is struggling to get named at the moment, I would say they would be happy to give Spencer a shot at the very least.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I think there is always a preference to have decent back up, they trialed some games with Pederson last year, they will try with Spencer this year, and if it fits they will stick with it. Gawn can handle it on his own, but I dont think that would be the plan for any team.

And considering Watts was the next go to guy who is struggling to get named at the moment, I would say they would be happy to give Spencer a shot at the very least.

North tried to run Goldstein in tandem with a 2nd ruck a few years ago .....was an abject failure as Goldstein needed to be 85% rucking

Are going to repeat history with other ruckmen, who are successful because they ruck 85% ?

 

[MightyMark]

North tried to run Goldstein in tandem with a 2nd ruck a few years ago .....was an abject failure as Goldstein needed to be 85% rucking

Are going to repeat history with other ruckmen, who are successful because they ruck 85% ?

North already have Brown and Daw taking some of the load off Goldy, wouldn't expect it to change too much.

He will demand most of the ruck time, but they would be stupid to push it a rely on him too much, especially after he played underdone most of last year.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

North already have Brown and Daw taking some of the load off Goldy, wouldn't expect it to change too much.

He will demand most of the ruck time, but they would be stupid to push it a rely on him too much, especially after he played underdone most of last year.

Was simply drawing a comparison to Gawn possibilities ......personally i feel the Spencer experiment maybe a short lived experiment

 

[MightyMark]

Was simply drawing a comparison to Gawn possibilities ......personally i feel the Spencer experiment maybe a short lived experiment

If he doesnt contribute anywhere else on the field it will be. But if he shows he can provide a decent target up forward he may get a decent run. He doesn't need to get a bag every week, but as long as he is providing contest he could be of some value.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

If he doesnt contribute anywhere else on the field it will be. But if he shows he can provide a decent target up forward he may get a decent run. He doesn't need to get a bag every week, but as long as he is providing contest he could be of some value.

Would you prefer Spencer or Watts up forward to support Hogan?

 

[Seymour Skinner]

Unless than Richmond and carlton shittrucks stink it up.

Rather get stuck with a dud rookie than end up with a donut rookie who you'll probably have to trade to one of the dud rookies to have some form of cash generation.

Catch ya Sandra

Sandiland's last 8 #SuperCoach scores with Griffin playing - 93, 86, 144, 140, 150, 142, 120 and 99 = average of 122.

 

[MightyMark]

Would you prefer Spencer or Watts up forward to support Hogan?

There is an argument for Spencer there, he wont get in Hogans way and will provide some extra contest in the packs.

Watts is hardly a dominant presence in the forward line. I would be quite happy seeing Watts push up the ground more, let Hogan lead and Spencer hold down the square.

Its an experiment, but if it works, I would assume they will run with it to give Gawn some respite.

 

[Double the Fist]

Well thats a bar set low enough for Vardy to get over

He'll probably injure himself doing so.....

 

[WaynesWorld19]

There is an argument for Spencer there, he wont get in Hogans way and will provide some extra contest in the packs.

Watts is hardly a dominant presence in the forward line. I would be quite happy seeing Watts push up the ground more, let Hogan lead and Spencer hold down the square.

Its an experiment, but if it works, I would assume they will run with it to give Gawn some respite.

Thought most teams put an emphasis of front half defensive pressure? .....Melbourne's smalls IIRC are not exactly tackling machines, more offensive than defensive ?

 

[MightyMark]

Thought most teams put an emphasis of front half defensive pressure? .....Melbourne's smalls IIRC are not exactly tackling machines, more offensive than defensive ?

More to defensive pressure than just tackling. Having a pack presence that can bring the ball to the ground and bring the small forwards more into the game is a valuable commodity.

Melbourne have a beast in Hogan who can pretty much just do as he pleases and he will be good at it, but Melbourne really dont have another tall option up forward.

 

[Glorin]

Nank solo rucking. I likey. I likey a lot.

 

[nameless]

Nank solo rucking. I likey. I likey a lot.

I can just tell he's going to be the guy I never had in my team all pre-season and I'll irrationally put him in at 7pm tomorrow.

 

[Souup]

I can just tell he's going to be the guy I never had in my team all pre-season and I'll irrationally put him in at 7pm tomorrow.

I've gone the reverse - had him in all preseason and just took him out

 

[TheOz]

I've gone the reverse - had him in all preseason and just took him out

Why?

 

[Great 2008]

I've gone the reverse - had him in all preseason and just took him out

1 trade saved.

 

[Souup]

Why?

As the preseason has worn on I've culled a lot of the mid-pricers in my side, and he's the latest. I've come to the conclusion that rather than have a speculative low 90's average ruckmen (at best, this is obviously my prediction of his scoring) , I'd rather go pure guns and rookies. Beams is now my only mid-pricer and he's not going anywhere.

I've been thinking about this for a while and the thing that stopped me was that if I did it id have no cover for Sandilands. I've come to the conclusion that I'm ok with this and will take that risk

 

[Glorin]

As the preseason has worn on I've culled a lot of the mid-pricers in my side, and he's the latest. I've come to the conclusion that rather than have a speculative low 90's average ruckmen (at best, this is obviously my prediction of his scoring) , I'd rather go pure guns and rookies. Beams is now my only mid-pricer and he's not going anywhere.

I've been thinking about this for a while and the thing that stopped me was that if I did it id have no cover for Sandilands. I've come to the conclusion that I'm ok with this and will take that risk

If I go with Nank it will be at r1 in combination with Sandi and Witts. No cover in Fwds required, all should make money.
Means I can run with Beams at m7 and no other midpricers so the rucks will be taking most of my risk this year.
I had to make 3 trades in rucks last year ( and I started with Gawn!) through injury, so figure if I save a trade or two elsewhere I should break even in the rucks!

 

[stevebbb]

just did this for myself if anybody is interested