2nds 2018 Suns Reserves and NEAFL

[lucylou]

The one certainty at year's end is that players will be delisted. There's always a player you don't want to see gone, but the list management decisions often come down on fringe players over 30. Not many want to see him gone, but it is a possibility. The Suns have this ridiculously young list that possibly needs to get younger again on average by delisting 3 over 30s players and bring bringing in a new batch of 18yos. Barlow's injury last year keeps getting played down, but it was a bad one it has slowed him down. I hope he comes back into the team and improves it. I was not impressed with his outing against Adelaide and he has since been out injured. Good comeback game in the NEAFL and in the mix to return to Senior footy.

BTW, Grimlock's NEAFL stats are interesting because the live app always shows a significantly lower number at game's end compared to the revised number later in the week. Not doubting the veracity of his stats, just that I watched the game and didn't come away thinking Barlow and Kolodjashnij had won that much footy.

IMHO I believe the strategy to delist certain players was decided at preseason.
Unfortunately if the team mix and plan is not working as hoped it appears that this will not drive change.
I do not think team selection is based on merit or performance but fixed ideas and I don’t believe there is transparency in decision making.
BTW Barlow’s injury last year was a #fibula not a weight bearing bone like tibia. He didn’t win the time trial ...... but came second.

 

[Cochblocked]

Lyons named.

In other news we actually have a spine in the NEAFL this week! Keen to watch Graham.

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Good to see Lonergan and Lemmens back even Jaska is back from injury. Cuts down our injury list significantly. I reckon those two and Wright will be ready next week.

 

[NOBBYS]

Great to see a bit of depth back in the club.
Big game against Sharks

 

[crows dude]

Lyons will dominate at that level. Cant believe you dropped him.

 

[SnusCG]

I like Scrimshaw being named onball. IMO will become a winger for us that can rotate to halfback/half forward rather than a defender.

 

[kreglze]

Didn't Caleb Graham get named for the Allies squad?

 

[Young_Guns]

How about that midfield!

Looks like one of the strongest and well balanced teams we have run out this year. Can’t wait to see how they all go. A fair few pushing on the door for seniors/ proving they’ve recovered/ want to get back in the senior squad.

 

[17er]

IMHO I believe the strategy to delist certain players was decided at preseason.
Unfortunately if the team mix and plan is not working as hoped it appears that this will not drive change.
I do not think team selection is based on merit or performance but fixed ideas and I don’t believe there is transparency in decision making.
BTW Barlow’s injury last year was a #fibula not a weight bearing bone like tibia. He didn’t win the time trial ...... but came second.

Interesting theories. I don't think there is a large enough sample size for your theory about selection to be bourne out, however, you may be proven correct by season's end. There have been subtle clues along the way and certainly messages that can't be ignored. Heron's elevation to the Senior List was sneaky, yet Dawson's has been announced without him being subsequently named in the best 22. Lonergan wasn't given a look in during the pre-season, yet made his way into the rotation quite swiftly after the NEAFL season got going. Crossley and Ballard wouldn't have been predicted to have made their debuts, yet they've played 3 straight and Ballard's been kept for this week's match. It is hard to see a pattern, yet there were BF contributors who picked 20 or more players correctly for the Geelong match so there must be more than speculation and guesswork - nobody picked Lyons to be dropped.

I agree with you that there isn't much transparency in decision making. I believe this is affected in part by the club's desire to withhold injury information, which I actually support because it isn't in anyone's better interests for that info to be out there. I couldn't even begin to speculate on why there might be a fixed selection regime, but that doesn't mean I think you are wrong. It has been said that Dew likes to go to NEAFL games, which is different to his predecessors, yet how many can he really have had time for?

Barlow's case is interesting. Your point about his broken fibula sounds about right, but there are still weight bearing ligaments and muscles that will have been affected so it isn'y for us to judge the extent of how well he's recovered. In NEAFL he's a step ahead, yet in his only AFL match he was a step behind and pulled up sore. There are several time trials during preseason and Barlow won an early one, although I believe Schoenfeld is credited as the club's best.

 

[17er]

Lyons named.

In other news we actually have a spine in the NEAFL this week! Keen to watch Graham.

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Wow, what a squad! Wish it was 2Clash this week!! Southport will do though.

Bailey Scott looks to have missed out entirely and the emergencies are shortlisted in the U18 Allies Squad.

The competition is now on for list spots in 2019.

 

[Peel67skin]

IMHO I believe the strategy to delist certain players was decided at preseason.
Unfortunately if the team mix and plan is not working as hoped it appears that this will not drive change.
I do not think team selection is based on merit or performance but fixed ideas and I don’t believe there is transparency in decision making.
BTW Barlow’s injury last year was a #fibula not a weight bearing bone like tibia. He didn’t win the time trial ...... but came second.

I think there is a strong case Dew want this GC NeafL to go a step better than last season and make GF . Lyons and Barlow got great work Ethic and the young players will learn a lot by playing with them .

 

[Witch1]

Interesting theories. I don't think there is a large enough sample size for your theory about selection to be bourne out, however, you may be proven correct by season's end. There have been subtle clues along the way and certainly messages that can't be ignored. Heron's elevation to the Senior List was sneaky, yet Dawson's has been announced without him being subsequently named in the best 22. Lonergan wasn't given a look in during the pre-season, yet made his way into the rotation quite swiftly after the NEAFL season got going. Crossley and Ballard wouldn't have been predicted to have made their debuts, yet they've played 3 straight and Ballard's been kept for this week's match. It is hard to see a pattern, yet there were BF contributors who picked 20 or more players correctly for the Geelong match so there must be more than speculation and guesswork - nobody picked Lyons to be dropped.

I agree with you that there isn't much transparency in decision making. I believe this is affected in part by the club's desire to withhold injury information, which I actually support because it isn't in anyone's better interests for that info to be out there. I couldn't even begin to speculate on why there might be a fixed selection regime, but that doesn't mean I think you are wrong. It has been said that Dew likes to go to NEAFL games, which is different to his predecessors, yet how many can he really have had time for?

Barlow's case is interesting. Your point about his broken fibula sounds about right, but there are still weight bearing ligaments and muscles that will have been affected so it isn'y for us to judge the extent of how well he's recovered. In NEAFL he's a step ahead, yet in his only AFL match he was a step behind and pulled up sore. There are several time trials during preseason and Barlow won an early one, although I believe Schoenfeld is credited as the club's best.

I find it absolutely ludicrous that someone with just 20 possessions could be judged better than Barlow who had a PHENOMENAL 46 !!! And no-one even raises an eyebrow!

In regard to his continued non-selection I reckon ageism is alive and well at GC. As someone suggested, it's apparently preferable that they select someone who's likely to be around in 2019, i.e. someone under 25, rather than pick Barlow, an experienced and hard body, who has the runs on the board and performs week after week after week ...

 

[Peel67skin]

I find it absolutely ludicrous that someone with just 20 possessions could be judged better than Barlow who had a PHENOMENAL 46 !!! And no-one even raises an eyebrow!

In regard to his continued non-selection I reckon ageism is alive and well at GC. As someone suggested, it's apparently preferable that they select someone who's likely to be around in 2019, i.e. someone under 25, rather than pick Barlow, an experienced and hard body, who has the runs on the board and performs week after week after week ...

Can't blame GC , Dew is doing what Ross did at Freo in 2016 .

 

[lucylou]

Barlow's case is interesting. Your point about his broken fibula sounds about right, but there are still weight bearing ligaments and muscles that will have been affected so it isn'y for us to judge the extent of how well he's recovered

Barlow's injury last year keeps getting played down, but it was a bad one it has slowed him down.

With respect - Are you listening to your own advice?

 

[Jirik13]

I find it absolutely ludicrous that someone with just 20 possessions could be judged better than Barlow who had a PHENOMENAL 46 !!! And no-one even raises an eyebrow!

In regard to his continued non-selection I reckon ageism is alive and well at GC. As someone suggested, it's apparently preferable that they select someone who's likely to be around in 2019, i.e. someone under 25, rather than pick Barlow, an experienced and hard body, who has the runs on the board and performs week after week after week ...

Easy Freo fan. Barlow does not play for Fremantle anymore. If Barlow is so great why did Freo let him go? All Suns fans love Barlow including me and we were all surprised that Barlow did not make best 22. According to Dew Barlow is endurance player, his lack of pressure and speed probably works against him in Dew's system. He also competes for inside midfielder position with Lyons, Miller, Swallow. I have no problem for him to be behind them. Also I am very happy for Brodie to be picked ahead of him. Brodie has a body to be our contested bull similar to Josh Kennedy and is our future and is ready for the opportunity. Did you actually watch NEAFL game vs Thunder in which Barlow had 46 touches? It's not high quality competition and a lot of possessions were cheap ones. I watched the game and Barlow was good but not my best player for GC.

 

[17er]

With respect - Are you listening to your own advice?

The statements aren't in disagreement with each other, just your interpretation. The injury occurred midseason and he still wasn't ready to play in the preseason this year. People are in agreement that he has lost pace, but there are varying opinions on how well he's been playing. I was referring to your diagnosis of his injury, which isn't for us to judge. You made a point and I refuted it, but I don't make any claims to expertise and you haven't declared inside knowledge or qualifications. I'd prefer Dew play the guy, as I've not just said here but also on my guest spot on the GC Sunscast. The only question I have is whether his fitness is ever going to suffice given his recovery time seems to rule him out of senior selection and has recently held him out of a few NEAFL games too.

 

[Witch1]

Easy Freo fan. Barlow does not play for Fremantle anymore. If Barlow is so great why did Freo let him go? All Suns fans love Barlow including me and we were all surprised that Barlow did not make best 22. According to Dew Barlow is endurance player, his lack of pressure and speed probably works against him in Dew's system. He also competes for inside midfielder position with Lyons, Miller, Swallow. I have no problem for him to be behind them. Also I am very happy for Brodie to be picked ahead of him. Brodie has a body to be our contested bull similar to Josh Kennedy and is our future and is ready for the opportunity. Did you actually watch NEAFL game vs Thunder in which Barlow had 46 touches? It's not high quality competition and a lot of possessions were cheap ones. I watched the game and Barlow was good but not my best player for GC.

46 to 20 is a massive differential even allowing for 'cheap' possessions.

 

[Jirik13]

46 to 20 is a massive differential even allowing for 'cheap' possessions.

It will be interesting how Barlow and Lyons go tomorrow in NEAFL, streamed 12pm.

 

[Peel67skin]

It will be interesting how Barlow and Lyons go tomorrow in NEAFL, streamed 12pm.

I think you explained it very clearly , no point keep explaining the same thing over and over again . I think sometime over possession could be as bad if you turn over the ball at the wrong time and allow opposition to score .

 

[17er]

Didn't Caleb Graham get named for the Allies squad?

The Allies don't play until next week and there are 50 players in the squad. Graham, Budarick, Koenen and McDonald are listed here and all were shortlisted for the Allies, while Boakye, Foster and Portelli are competing for Rookie List spots. Budarick is actually a bottom ager, so this is a big break for him.

If Lyons or Dawson are 23rd man for the seniors, expect McDonald to come in, but if Crossley or Leslie are called up it should be Koenen.

 

[Witch1]

I think you explained it very clearly , no point keep explaining the same thing over and over again . I think sometime over possession could be as bad if you turn over the ball at the wrong time and allow opposition to score .

Really? Are you suggesting Barlow is guilty of this, o former Freo fan?

 

[Peel67skin]

Really? Are you suggesting Barlow is guilty of this, o former Freo fan?

Nobody is guilty ,need to move forward . Well mike we cannot control who the coach select .. There is nice people here explained to you the reason why Barlow not considered , yet you still keep going on the same thing over and over again . What you really want out of this Barlow conversation ?

 

[gosuns!]

Nobody is guilty ,need to move forward . Well mike can we cannot control who the coach select .. There is nice people here explained to you the reason why Barlow not considered , yet you still keep going on the same thing over and over again . What you really want out of this Barlow conversation ?

Seems like someone got stuck with Barlow in their fantasy draft league...

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[Peel67skin]

Seems like someone got stuck with Barlow in their fantasy draft league...

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I get stuck too last week with the rest round and injuries, but all this thing we got no control of ,Dew got his reason not to select Barlow and Brodie as a youngster need more AFL games .

 

[SunnerSS]

It seems quite obvious that possessions dont mean a thing to dew and the selection committee. Not sure exactly what stat does but tackles seem to be a correlation only 4 tackles averaged in the last 2 games for lyons. The 2 games previous to that he averaged 9.

 

[Jirik13]

Lyons plays.