No Oppo Supporters 2019 Trade and FA period - Incoming Targets news discussion - read the rules in OP

[burton5]

That's proof that was he has said is bulls**t, every single recruiter would know a lot about those players, especially the high end talent.

He's not in charge of recruiting underagers - thats Mark Mckenzie's job (GW would know about Rowell, Anderson etc.). From my point of view silence would be a more telling sign that we are looking to get pick 2. Ruling pick 2 out unprovoked on a club podcast seems to me GW was being truthful. Could be smoke and mirrors though - only time will tell!

 

[dermott]

We have a few coals in the fire and whatever happens looks like its going to be an entertaining trade period!

It would be preferable to have a few irons in the fire. Coals just burn and are reduced to ashes.

 

[TylerDurden]

That's proof that was he has said is bulls**t, every single recruiter would know a lot about those players, especially the high end talent.

Correct. And would've seen a lot of vision of him. Borderline negligent if he hadn't.

 

[Mojo]

What you need to understand when Wright talks to the media - whatever he says, think the opposite. There is not a hope in hell he'd reveal one iota of our plans to those mouth breathers.

He's the best in the business. His vault is ridiculous. It's iron clad.

**** me, this is frustrating. EVERYTHING we have read on this forum is almost a complete contradiction to the information coming out of Wrighty's mouth.

 

[tige19]

GW pretty emphatic:

Haven't so much as spoken to Elliot
Doesn't even know much about Noah Anderson as a player let alone orchestrating a trade with Gold Coast for pick 2. He shot that idea down big time.

Doesn't want to give the guarantee on Finn, as they're planning to use pick 11 on the best available player. If we have the points for Finn after that, I imagine we'd take him.

What a complete farce if we didn’t take Finn and we are left ruing another Josh Kennedy fiasco.. not happening, we’ll be taking him.

 

[tige19]

Clubs have made it known that they don't want this Adam Ramanauskas said this much on RSN this morning. He was sharing his knowledge on this as a player manager.

Fair.. I’d like it tbh

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I was trying to hint that I knew that we had NOT met with him. Graham Wright has just revealed as such (that we did not meet with Jamie Elliot or his management):

Graham Wright on veteran Hawks potential trade

Ashley Browne and Lucy Race sat down to discuss all things trade in the brown and gold world. Listen to the full podcast on iTunes or your favourite podcast provider.

www.hawthornfc.com.au

Someone is telling porkies

 

[smeltitdeltit]

We openly state were getting Finn no matter what, then clubs immediately below us can risk bidding in him to get us to burn our first selection thus moving their next one up a slot.
We say we will pick the best available with 11 and they can’t risk being left with Finn on the hook with someone else in mind.

For us, best case is we value him at 12 or better and are free to pick up someone else with 11

 

[Bugs1977]

That's proof that was he has said is bulls**t, every single recruiter would know a lot about those players, especially the high end talent.

Some people just like living within the Matrix mate. Same people probably believe in in the Tooth Fairy and Santa still

 

[Bugs1977]

We openly state were getting Finn no matter what, then clubs immediately below us can risk bidding in him to get us to burn our first selection thus moving their next one up a slot.
We say we will pick the best available with 11 and they can’t risk being left with Finn on the hook with someone else in mind.

For us, best case is we value him at 12 or better and are free to pick up someone else with 11

Dude... shhhh

 

[Jethro!]

What a complete farce if we didn’t take Finn and we are left ruing another Josh Kennedy fiasco.. not happening, we’ll be taking him.

Not sure Josh Kennedy was a fiasco. He got one flag and we got 3.

 

[Big Hotdog]

We openly state were getting Finn no matter what, then clubs immediately below us can risk bidding in him to get us to burn our first selection thus moving their next one up a slot.
We say we will pick the best available with 11 and they can’t risk being left with Finn on the hook with someone else in mind.

For us, best case is we value him at 12 or better and are free to pick up someone else with 11

Hence we need to trade that first round pick

 

[Hawk_francais]

What would GW possibly have to gain from hiding that we’d met with a UFA in the FA window?

Either he’s absolutely hellbent on maintaining some pointless smokescreen whereby we deny interest in Anderson and Elliot, or people here just don’t know as much as they think they do. Which is fine by me, but there’s a bit of dead horse flogging going on with them and Whitfield.

 

[tige19]

Not sure Josh Kennedy was a fiasco. He got one flag and we got 3.

Not talking flags, I am talking individuals.. he would/still add plenty to our club. Didn’t effect our success but he may have added to the longevity, he is a legit star as we all know.

 

[PenAndPaper]

He's not in charge of recruiting underagers - thats Mark Mckenzie's job (GW would know about Rowell, Anderson etc.). From my point of view silence would be a more telling sign that we are looking to get pick 2. Ruling pick 2 out unprovoked on a club podcast seems to me GW was being truthful. Could be smoke and mirrors though - only time will tell!

That's exactly the thing though, even if he doesn't take control of the U/18 recruiting he would still have a very good idea of the talent in the drsft, so what he said was definitely bs

 

[Mrzohs]

Why don't we do it the same day that Whitfield steps out in a HFC polo?

I wish, i doubt that don't have much to offer them playerwise..

 

[Jethro!]

Not talking flags, I am talking individuals.. he would/still add plenty to our club. Didn’t effect our success but he may have added to the longevity, he is a legit star as we all know.

He is a legit star but the actual pick we got was used for our current captain. I realise they are different quality players but Stratts has also kept us in a lot of games. The other pick was used to upgrade Suckling.
I guess as a supporter, whilst it's nice to get guns, I really don't care about the specific players we get as long as they turn out to be Hawthorn premiership players. On paper that may have looked like a fiasco trade but it netted us two premiership players

 

[Hawk_francais]

That's exactly the thing though, even if he doesn't take control of the U/18 recruiting he would still have a very good idea of the talent in the drsft, so what he said was definitely bs

And the motive, detective inspector?

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

Hence we need to trade that first round pick

Yep. Going in with 11 really isn't ideal, right on the cusp of being beaten by a finn bud.

I hope its traded up, down or out.

 

[The Chad and I]

Draft camp might push a marginal prospect into contention, or move them up the order in the mid to latter picks, but I very much doubt it would matter for a top 20 prospect. Nobody is going to turn up a result and make people think "oh jeeezzzz I didn't know he had speed/endurance/leap etc".

These guys are watched for years by the same pool of recruiters.
Their attributes are well understood already.
This is just a measurement/verification process.

 

[flinchfree]

You’re talking as if we won’t get any injuries.. even with Titch and signings we have little depth and lack a few top liners in their prime.

A 7-10 team

You're not of the mind that losing the reigning 2018 Brownlow medalist who averaged 600 possies a game for us, in a midfield that was kinda thin to start with, was not the most significant injury by the length of the straight we could possibly have ever incurred? I think we could have lost ANYONE else, or two players, or even three, and it wouldn't have made the same negative impact on the team's performance. He makes us 10% better IMO. Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge loss.
Add Impey, who was a break out star.

I think with Titch back, Worpel having taken a very obvious step last season and who just might possibly take another, and adding the names mentioned plus a draft pick or two, 4 new rooks, there is zero chance we aren't better than last year. No-one's getting older that hasn't already done so in a performance sense, as far as I can see it. Omith won't be much worse, Stratts won't be much worse, BB aint getting slower, Pop won't have less impact on the scoreboard.

Unless of course you think last year's ladder spot was us at our best....
I prefer to think our performance over the last 8 weeks was more indicative of our best.
Add that best level with Mitchell, Patton, F(cough)rost, ML having a full year and continuing to develop, Scrimshaw same, maybe Butler, Finn, 2 more draftees, 4 rooks, and some greater confidence with the game plan and young players knowledge of it.

I'd be disappointed if we didn't finish 4-5, and with the displayed form through the year of being able to beat any other side unless one comes from the clouds with hitherto unseen abilities.

 

[Flamin Joe]

That's proof that was he has said is bulls**t, every single recruiter would know a lot about those players, especially the high end talent.

 

[Bumps"N"Grins]

Fair.. I’d like it tbh

Would only advantage clubs in say the top six looking for that one or maybe two pieces to push for a tilt at glory and in some sense goes against what the AFL have been doing to equal the competition.

Me I'm more live by your decisions and trust those that are employed to make they because barring injury, changing tact mid season on personnel or game style just gets those not in the hunt into all sought of mess on and off the field.

 

[matsta1975]

Draft camp might push a marginal prospect into contention, or move them up the order in the mid to latter picks, but I very much doubt it would matter for a top 20 prospect. Nobody is going to turn up a result and make people think "oh jeeezzzz I didn't know he had speed/endurance/leap etc".

These guys are watched for years by the same pool of recruiters.
Their attributes are well understood already.
This is just a measurement/verification process.

Had a chat with someone in recruitment at another club last night and a breakout all round performance like that actually spikes interest in the kids but still projected to be late first round

 

[bris tarangau]

I'm not sold on Finn. As a player Finn is difficult to get excited about. He is an inside mid, but he is not a grunt inside mid, not powerful, nor is he an accumulator, and he hasn't many qualities as a player on the outside. The lack of power/size, lack of speed, lack of high quality disposal, makes him sort of fall in between all catagories of midfielder. I could see him being a `hard working' mid, a B+ type.

I can see him slipping in the draft, and hopefully the Hawks get him with a discount outside the top 30. I love to get father sons and i watched his dad.

After everything you said about Finn, do you think Hawks have no depth on their list for B+ midfielders?