Training 2020 Training - pics, reports etc

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

what a life, I'm gonna be an afl footy player...........

Never too late, I'm in if you are...

 

[thylacine60]

can you run throu......................wait a second..............

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

can you run throu......................wait a second..............

Yeah my running days are well and truly...

 

[Aphrodite]

Closed sessions for the week then set off for training camp in Mooloolaba from Sunday 2nd- Saturday 8th Feb...
Few days off when they return back then back into training around the Wednesday, open sessions yet to be announced...

Community Camp :-

Kinglake & surrounding regional areas - 21st - 22nd February

From Bundaberg to Broome to Bacchus Marsh, AFL stars go on camp

More than 750 AFL players are set to visit local schools, football clubs, nursing homes, hospitals and community centres. Find out more

www.afl.com.au

 

[murphster]

self reflective posts like this are rare as rocking-horse shit around here - well done

As are great quips like “rare as rocking horse shit” well played old fella.

 

[murphster]

That's a wrap: It's getting closer...

All the AFL news coming out of Ikon Park from the week that was.

www.carltonfc.com.au

And let’s hope that like the song young Fish is “Stuck in the middle” this year but preferably without the “fools to the left of him and jokers to the right” as I’d prefer Kreuser, Cripps and Walsh, also let’s hope he does “know what it is he should do” kick it down Harry’s throat directly in front 20 out. Alright I’m done, carry on.

 

[murphster]

Sensational once again BAB, love your work.

Just out of the footage of the match sim, Lukas Webb looked pretty good....wore the #30.....looked as slow as a three toed sloth, but still did some nice stuff in the footage.

Yeah I agree the four toed sloths are much quicker.

 

[murphster]

I instinctively cheer every time a Carlton footballer cuts his hair short.

Footballers just look more serious when they don't have fancy hairdo/beard/mo thing going on.

My brain says it's a BS theory, but my heart cheers the sheers.





Disclaimer: This may just be subconscious jealousy of anyone with enough hair to have a fancy hairdo...

I agree wholeheartedly Ferris nothing says ready to go like a short back and sides, Gibbs used to annoy the hell out of me with his hairdo.

 

[rp84]

I instinctively cheer every time a Carlton footballer cuts his hair short.

Footballers just look more serious when they don't have fancy hairdo/beard/mo thing going on.

My brain says it's a BS theory, but my heart cheers the sheers.





Disclaimer: This may just be subconscious jealousy of anyone with enough hair to have a fancy hairdo...

I have a great head of hair but entirely agree. Crew cuts for the lot of them.

 

[Jimmae]

I’m a bit lost on numbers of new guys.
Here’s my drafted kids pre-season summary.

pls note I am quite aware this may come across as critical, but I mean it not to be. These guys are obviously just starting out.

we were obviously spoilt with Walsh last year and there are no such ready made players in our group this year.

philp. HE is bigger than I thought, and has a better frame to fill out. I’ve no concerns about hus physicality. He outmarked Walsh in a contest this week which impressed me. He occasionally shows his pace but not often. His kicking is usually ok. Decision. Making usually ok. Hands the same. None are perfect. He’s not ‘gifted’. Without wanting to seem to critical I would be careful hoping for too high an upside. But I really do see 200 games from him. He will work hard on all his gaps. 2 years in thr VFl IMO. Which is fine.

ramsay has shown some real talent. His hands are really clean. Kicking very solid. His running seems pretty good too. His body is very weak at this point. He is also a little ‘small’. Happy to have him but needs a lot of work.

Philips. Look I talked him up A lot and he has showed flashes of just knowing where the goals are. He’s as weak as it gets though and needs a lot of time in the gym.

honey I noticed for the first time and rather oddly I would say if anyone debuted this year it will be him. Has a genuine afl strength about his body. Has real power in his pace and in his kicking. I was worried about decision making but I haven’t seen that to be a problem in training yet. Very intersting type.

Philp is the one that tends to concern me the most. Respect that he's a different style and position to Sharp, but it will be interesting to track their progress as I think Sharp is going to be way more productive by foot at this stage.

Sharp needs to bring more bite to his game, probably mostly through building up his agility while adding something body strength, all while not losing his running power. Philp needs to add a lot of body strength and work really hard on his kicking.

If we get the best of Philp as shown in the TAC last year, we're going to be doing just fine, but so far he seems a bit lost and more like who he was before that burst of form. What he does have on his side is that he's shown an immense capacity to understand and analyse the game tactically and work on his all-round game to manipulate this.

But it remains a risk as he starts to gets challenged by the best in the nation, because his athletic and ball-related skills aren't in the same tier as the midfielders and smalls drafted in his range.

 

[spry]

But, but he’s reallllyy fast


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[thylacine60]

he fast........

 

[Jeremias]

If we get the best of Philp as shown in the TAC last year, we're going to be doing just fine, but so far he seems a bit lost and more like who he was before that burst of form.

Based on what exactly? Seems a strange and overly harsh critique of a player who barely has both feet through the door.

 

[Gethelred]

Philp is the one that tends to concern me the most. Respect that he's a different style and position to Sharp, but it will be interesting to track their progress as I think Sharp is going to be way more productive by foot at this stage.

Sharp needs to bring more bite to his game, probably mostly through building up his agility while adding something body strength, all while not losing his running power. Philp needs to add a lot of body strength and work really hard on his kicking.

If we get the best of Philp as shown in the TAC last year, we're going to be doing just fine, but so far he seems a bit lost and more like who he was before that burst of form. What he does have on his side is that he's shown an immense capacity to understand and analyse the game tactically and work on his all-round game to manipulate this.

But it remains a risk as he starts to gets challenged by the best in the nation, because his athletic and ball-related skills aren't in the same tier as the midfielders and smalls drafted in his range.

Back pocket a fallback possibility?

 

[thylacine60]

we have around 12 spare back-pockets already..........

 

[Macca43]

Philp is the one that tends to concern me the most. Respect that he's a different style and position to Sharp, but it will be interesting to track their progress as I think Sharp is going to be way more productive by foot at this stage.

Sharp needs to bring more bite to his game, probably mostly through building up his agility while adding something body strength, all while not losing his running power. Philp needs to add a lot of body strength and work really hard on his kicking.

If we get the best of Philp as shown in the TAC last year, we're going to be doing just fine, but so far he seems a bit lost and more like who he was before that burst of form. What he does have on his side is that he's shown an immense capacity to understand and analyse the game tactically and work on his all-round game to manipulate this.

But it remains a risk as he starts to gets challenged by the best in the nation, because his athletic and ball-related skills aren't in the same tier as the midfielders and smalls drafted in his range.

Why compare Philp to Sharp and not any of the other 40 plus player taken after him?

We drafted Cunigham in a similar spot to Philp and have got less than 25 games in 4 years out of him but I am pretty happy we took him at the minute.

 

[La Dispute]

Back pocket a fallback possibility?

I reckon the fallback option is we trying to develop him into Dangerfield circa his first few years.

I think a lot with hinge on how much we can refine his game at VFL level with also managing to give him opportunities in the senior team to at least give him a frame of reference for how he will need to integrate.

 

[Arr0w]

Philp is the one that tends to concern me the most. Respect that he's a different style and position to Sharp, but it will be interesting to track their progress as I think Sharp is going to be way more productive by foot at this stage.

Sharp needs to bring more bite to his game, probably mostly through building up his agility while adding something body strength, all while not losing his running power. Philp needs to add a lot of body strength and work really hard on his kicking.

If we get the best of Philp as shown in the TAC last year, we're going to be doing just fine, but so far he seems a bit lost and more like who he was before that burst of form. What he does have on his side is that he's shown an immense capacity to understand and analyse the game tactically and work on his all-round game to manipulate this.

But it remains a risk as he starts to gets challenged by the best in the nation, because his athletic and ball-related skills aren't in the same tier as the midfielders and smalls drafted in his range.

I know you were keen on Sharp, Jim. Sharp's biggest issue is himself, gets way ahead of himself, in a traditional figjam kind of way.

Philp doesn't have those type of finishing skills, but he does have Fraser Brown characteristics, with a tad more zip, a solid blue collar footballer

 

[Jimmae]

Based on what exactly? Seems a strange and overly harsh critique of a player who barely has both feet through the door.

Based on his production in match sim and what else I've seen of him since draft. I watched full highlights of two of his best games in the TAC, and what he showed there was fantastic, but you wouldn't see much of that elsewhere in any other highlight reel.

He was drafted on that potential, so he need to make sure his skills training and his body are up to the standard required to keep producing that kind of form. Right now he just looks a bit tired, so hopefully that cleans up with workload management. Last thing we want is a kid that doesn't know when to reign it in, it's almost as bad as the ones who don't know how to push themselves.

Back pocket a fallback possibility?

Unless he's falling all the way back to 1997, no.

Why compare Philp to Sharp and not any of the other 40 plus player taken after him?

We drafted Cunigham in a similar spot to Philp and have got less than 25 games in 4 years out of him but I am pretty happy we took him at the minute.

There were a lot of talls drafted in that range, but Sharp was my next option. Dow is another, and Gould would have been solid if you're prepared to set him aside and get him working on losing a few kilos.

RE: Cuningham, you're looking at a different talent pool, where there was a drop off in the talent just before that selection. No live trading either, and we certainly didn't trade up to get him ala Charlie.

I know you were keen on Sharp, Jim. Sharp's biggest issue is himself, gets way ahead of himself, in a traditional figjam kind of way.

Philp doesn't have those type of finishing skills, but he does have Fraser Brown characteristics, with a tad more zip, a solid blue collar footballer

That's all well and good, but in that first 30 you're looking for elite AFL qualities, and Philp on his average day doesn't have enough of those. On his best day he is good enough, and seems to have the right mode of thinking to translate that into consistent performances, but right now he's all arms and legs more so than any other draftee.

Some players do not respond well to being thrown further into the spotlight than they anticipated, and I suspect Philp wasn't expecting to hear his name until the third round. Hopefully that's a mild bump in the road, rather than developing into something along the lines of impostor syndrome.

 

[La Dispute]

Philp doesn't have those type of finishing skills, but he does have Fraser Brown characteristics, with a tad more zip, a solid blue collar footballer

It’s interesting how some see him as a high ceiling type (myself included), while some see him becoming a future role player with a few good assets.

He’s got a pretty decent footy brain combined with some obvious athletic traits so it could go any which way.

 

[HARKER]

Back pocket a fallback possibility?

I don't think it makes for a fall-back position at all.
He's pretty much the type we'd be seeking elsewhere for that sort of role and if we recognised that the discipline and coach-ability are there, then why not?

Some of our higher/first round midfielders will eventually have to take on roles they may not have been accustomed to, but that's what having a good development system should be about and have to be about and especially so given our state of the rebuild.

Here's a summary of our young midfield group -
#13 Cripps...#5 Setterfield...#6 SPS...#13 Kennedy...#3 Dow...#27 Fisher...#1 Walsh...#9 Stocker...#17 Kemp...#20 Philp...#23 Cuningham

Not all our midfielders are going to be able to play in the midfield and I don't think we've designed our recent selections for that to be the case.
There's clearly another view on how we'll distribute this talent across the ground.

 

[therubbernub]

Otherwise, we risk a St Kilda-esque relapse when they retire

I think we invented the relapse after retirement . The saints copied us...

 

[Arr0w]

I don't think it makes for a fall-back position at all.
He's pretty much the type we'd be seeking elsewhere for that sort of role and if we recognised that the discipline and coach-ability are there, then why not?

Some of our higher/first round midfielders will eventually have to take on roles they may not have been accustomed to, but that's what having a good development system should be about and have to be about and especially so given our state of the rebuild.

Here's a summary of our young midfield group -
#13 Cripps...#5 Setterfield...#6 SPS...#13 Kennedy...#3 Dow...#27 Fisher...#1 Walsh...#9 Stocker...#17 Kemp...#20 Philp...#23 Cuningham

Not all our midfielders are going to be able to play in the midfield and I don't think we've designed our recent selections for that to be the case.
There's clearly another view on how we'll distribute this talent across the ground.

The majority will play as onballers especially once the likes of Murph and Ed are gone

 

[ferrisb]

we have around 12 spare back-pockets already..........

We're like a pair of cargo pants...

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

We should be batting deep by the time Murph and Ed retire or are passed by in a few seasons...

Cripps, Walsh, Setterfield - Dow, Cuningham, Fisher, Silvagni, Petrevski-Seton, Stocker...
Kemp, Philp, Ramsay, Honey... Williamson & O'Brien wings...