2020 U.S Riots

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Ghost Patrol said:
The traditional owners are civilians.

Rio Tinto are horrible people. I know some of them personally.
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Yes but having a site of cultural significance destroyed by a mining company isn’t the same as someone burning down your family business. The financial and psychological effect on a person isn’t the same, and the criminal intent behind the act is completely different.
Someone blowing up Stonehenge (I’m assuming you’re a white person, correct me if I’m wrong) would not be the same as someone taking away your livelihood and making you feel unsafe in your own community.
 

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Ghost Patrol said:
They have tried to deal with this peacefully for decades, it hasn't worked.
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Maybe Colin K should have just turned up to a state building with an AK47

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Bleeeeeeeeep said:
I wonder what the reaction by the MSM and those in power would be if the brutality shown by the police towards peaceful protesters that we have seen out of the USA been if the footage was from a country such as China?
Would they blame ANTIFA? or the regime?
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“Peaceful protestors” - you must be watching different footage to me.
 
EDFL follower said:
“Peaceful protestors” - you must be watching different footage to me.
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There are plenty of peaceful protesters. And plenty of rioters and looters. Do you think all protestors are also rioters and looters? That's the same flawed logic that leads people to believe that all cops are bad.
 
To those that believe ANTIFA are not a real organisation, where are posts like the one quoted in this tweet coming from? Are they fake and if so/if not, who is responsible for them?

 
Patrick Bullet said:
There are plenty of peaceful protesters. And plenty of rioters and looters. Do you think all protestors are also rioters and looters? That's the same flawed logic that leads people to believe that all cops are bad.
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You're spot on.

The conflation is dangerous and it's too convenient. As soon as people start rioting, get the hell out of there because at that point you're going to be lumped in the same group.
 
And this is precisely why I condemn rioting and destruction:
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New psychology research finds extreme protest actions reduce popular support for social movements

New research indicates that extreme protest tactics tend to undermine a movement's popular support in the United States by alienating both neutral ...
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New research indicates that extreme protest tactics tend to undermine a movement’s popular support in the United States by alienating both neutral observers and supporters. The findings have been published in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology.

“I’m interested in social change and progress, and was curious what social movement strategies might be most effective at influencing popular opinion,” said Matthew Feinberg, the corresponding author of the new study and an assistant professor of organizational behavior at the University of Toronto.

The researchers conducted six experiments with 3,399 participants in total, in which they assessed how different types of protest behaviors influenced support for a variety of progressive and conservative social causes, including the Black Lives Matter movement and the anti-abortion movement. They found that more extreme behaviors — such as the use of inflammatory rhetoric, blocking traffic, and vandalism — consistently resulted in reduced support for social movements.

This was true even when participants were already politically or socially sympathetic to the social movement. “We found extreme anti-Trump protest actions actually led people to not only dislike the movement and support the cause less, but to be willing to support Trump more,” Feinberg said. “It was almost like a backlash.”
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It seems likely that the rioting / damage is being done by opportunists, right wing grifters trying to stir up trouble, and entitled idiots who have drunk the extreme left wing koolaid (the "you've all been looting from my people" type arguments).

The protesting on the other hand is just that; legitimate voicing of concern. Police need to (somehow) target the rioting but not the protesting. A challenge to be sure, and some cops seem to think this is just like a video game rather than real life with real people. Nonetheless, I was pleased to see this video of protesters handing a rioter over to the police:


(Edit - added excerpt from Psych Today article)
 

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Patrick Bullet said:
To those that believe ANTIFA are not a real organisation, where are posts like the one quoted in this tweet coming from? Are they fake and if so/if not, who is responsible for them?

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If in doubt, the first thing to look for is spelling mistakes in the hash tags
 
Bleeeeeeeeep said:
Blaming it all on ANTIFA is a tactic of deflection used by the regime, find an enemy blame them whilst ignoring the real issues.
There has been peaceful protests for years yet nothing is done or changes, sometimes a more confrontational approach is needed.
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I wonder if this is the same train of thought suicide bombers have
 
Bleeeeeeeeep said:
Blaming it all on ANTIFA is a tactic of deflection used by the regime, find an enemy blame them whilst ignoring the real issues.
There has been peaceful protests for years yet nothing is done or changes, sometimes a more confrontational approach is needed.
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What's your evidence that nothing has been done?

Most of the worldwide data has been telling a clear story that things are getting better worldwide for the average person. Do you dispute that? If so, what's the evidence you're basing your claim on? I'm not having a go; I'm just keen to understand your position better.

Also, what do you mean by a "more confrontational apprach"? More confrontational than what? What are the limits to you on what is still acceptable? And what evidence do you have that these more confrontational approaches lead to desired changes? Again I am asking these questions in good faith. Generally I get a bit nervous about the "burn it to the ground" approach because the replacement regime tends to be even worse.
 
This is identity politics in full force and its a poor strategy that is working for progressive opposition almost nowhere in the world.

The anger is completely justified, and I would expect a level of violence to escalate, especially locally. All police involved should be charged and punished to the full extent of the law. If there was ever a case where an example needs to be set to change what appears to be a toxic culture systemic amongst US police, this is it.

The situation has now been hijacked by those who don't care as much about police brutality towards black Americans, as they do about destroying modern civilisation/capitalism. The woke Hollywood types have also popped their heads out, and aren't missing their opportunity to signal their virtue from behind the locked gates of their mansions.

Protest encouraging the people who feel disenfranchised by the current Govt. to exercise their democratic right and actually vote in an election happening in mere months would have been a better strategy. With poor healthcare, low minimum wages, increasing unemployment, an inept response to a global pandemic, surely it shouldn't be difficult to garner the 10% required to make the next election a sure thing.

If more people don't vote, this situation will likely play into the Republican hands. People (a lot of them white from what I can see) destroying public infrastructure, stealing luxury goods and burning cities will not change a single established Republican voter's mind. It may very well change some swinging Democrat voters to go the other way.

How the Dem's have failed to produce a "sure thing" candidate for the upcoming election is as much of an Indictment on the party as it is on American society.
 
radiojake said:
why wouldn't they want to burn everything to the ******* ground?

how is any kind of reform gonna fix the mess that the entire country has been for years?

the political system is completely broken - there is zero chance of bi-partisanship at all which is why the COVID response has been such a fail over there

Say what you want about the ALP/Libs over here but atleast they were able to work together over the past 3 months
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Because they aren't making ANY tangible gains just by burning down shops and other places of business. If they're serious about change - and I see now through jaded eyes that change by the ballot is ABSOLUTELY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN in that sorry excuse for a nation and an empire - then they need to organise as a militia. This isn't a race riot. This is gross injustice fueling absolute anger in all of the marginalised, and it's been building for so long that returning to the status quo in the United States is no longer an acceptable outcome.

The people need to form militias. They need to fight for what's right. Past governments, both Democrat and Republican, have failed these people.

Time for a change.
 
Ghost Patrol said:
If this brings change, then yes. The shops would have insurance, the repair work will create jobs, stimulate the economy.

They have tried to deal with this peacefully for decades, it hasn't worked.
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Lol.

The vast majority of these shops aren't multi national corporations

Why do you think the shop owners are often sitting out the front risking their lives trying to protect them? There is no insurance.


Given the volatile nature of the USA, i imagine cover of this type to cover rioting, robbery etc isn't a standard inclusion either, it's something you would have to nominate and take out specifically given the risk profile.


He's spot on, the black community is destroying (in part) other parts of the black community that have managed to break the cycle and escape the ghetto.


This video is as apt today as it was in 92'.

 
Geelong_Sicko said:
Because they aren't making ANY tangible gains just by burning down shops and other places of business. If they're serious about change - and I see now through jaded eyes that change by the ballot is ABSOLUTELY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN in that sorry excuse for a nation and an empire - then they need to organise as a militia. This isn't a race riot. This is gross injustice fueling absolute anger in all of the marginalised, and it's been building for so long that returning to the status quo in the United States is no longer an acceptable outcome.

The people need to form militias. They need to fight for what's right. Past governments, both Democrat and Republican, have failed these people.

Time for a change.
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One of them more than the other, since one of them has almost the full support of this group and claims to support them and has been in power.

Maybe this is the point where African Americans wake up to what they really mean to the Democratic party, a means to an end.
 

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