2020 U.S Riots

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this is the perfect storm. The homeless in the US has been getting a lot worse the past couple of decades. Then you have unemployed from Coronavirus. All the scum in society needed was an excuse and here it is.

The police are just completely overwhelmed. Cops just need to disperse as much tear gas as they can to get the looters and rioters to go home.
 
YippeeYiYeo said:
this is the perfect storm. The homeless in the US has been getting a lot worse the past couple of decades. Then you have unemployed from Coronavirus. All the scum in society needed was an excuse and here it is.

The police are just completely overwhelmed. Cops just need to disperse as much tear gas as they can to get the looters and rioters to go home.
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It's a pretty amazing situation.

The most feared military on the planet, annual budget of $US689bn, yet completely useless in a situation like this when rotting from the inside out. Trump probably feels fairly helpless from that aspect. It's not as if he can start mowing down US citizens in times square.
 
mattf83 said:
If more people don't vote, this situation will likely play into the Republican hands. People (a lot of them white from what I can see) destroying public infrastructure, stealing luxury goods and burning cities will not change a single established Republican voter's mind. It may very well change some swinging Democrat voters to go the other way.

How the Dem's have failed to produce a "sure thing" candidate for the upcoming election is as much of an Indictment on the party as it is on American society.
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Not going to comment on the rest of your post as I don't have a strong opinion about it and probably tend to agree in general. However I've seen this talk about convincing Republican voters quite a lot. If they haven't been convinced by the complete cluster**** of the last 4 years under Trump nothing some Democrat says is going to convince them. I don't think the Democrats need to waste resources trying to get this type of voter onboard. You don't see the Republicans trying to get establishment Democrats onside either.
 
Pykie said:
It's a pretty amazing situation.

The most feared military on the planet, annual budget of $US689bn, yet completely useless in a situation like this when rotting from the inside out. Trump probably feels fairly helpless from that aspect. It's not as if he can start mowing down US citizens in times square.
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Problem with going full military to quell the cities/areas experiencing riots is you risk enticing another group of citizens becoming involved - those being the gun toting defenders of freedom against Government controls/tyranny.
I'm pretty sure the last thing anyone wants to see is militia type armed groups of citizens turning up for a shoot-out, some of who have been itching to clean the cobwebs out of their semi-automatics for years...!!!
 
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Mateyman said:
Not going to comment on the rest of your post as I don't have a strong opinion about it and probably tend to agree in general. However I've seen this talk about convincing Republican voters quite a lot. If they haven't been convinced by the complete clusterfu** of the last 4 years under Trump nothing some Democrat says is going to convince them. I don't think the Democrats need to waste resources trying to get this type of voter onboard. You don't see the Republicans trying to get establishment Democrats onside either.
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The 'convincing Republican voters' is a furphy.

The truth is that rusted on Republican voters are getting confined to smaller and smaller sections of the US.

Only need to look at Texas.
Ted Cruz won the Republican primary 44 to Trump's 27 but he only won the Senate election against O'Rourke 51-49 in 2018.
 
Hank Scorpion said:
Numerous Confederate statues brought down or defaced across the South

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George Floyd Protesters in Multiple Cities Target Confederate Monuments

Monuments in Virginia, the Carolinas, Tennessee and Mississippi were defaced
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I can get behind this. A more appropriate outlet for people's anger than smashing up private businesses
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It can't be stated enough that Confederate statues didn't go up until decades after the winners were dead. They had no tolerance for the traitors back then. The statues aren't from the Civil War. They're a PC "**** you" to black Americans today.
 
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Bomberboyokay said:
It can't be stated enough that Confederate statues didn't go up until decades after the winners were dead. They had no tolerance for the traitors back then. The statues aren't from the Civil War. They're a PC "fu** you" to black Americans today.
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Ahhh now I get you your anti republican .... no wonder your always shitting on the wwe. Go crawl back to your mother's basement.
 
Jpw22511 said:
Ahhh now I get you your anti republican .... no wonder your always shitting on the wwe. Go crawl back to your mother's basement.
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Just an awesome argument.

You know it was actually racist southern Democrats who put those statues up, yeah?
 
Mateyman said:
Not going to comment on the rest of your post as I don't have a strong opinion about it and probably tend to agree in general. However I've seen this talk about convincing Republican voters quite a lot. If they haven't been convinced by the complete clusterfu** of the last 4 years under Trump nothing some Democrat says is going to convince them. I don't think the Democrats need to waste resources trying to get this type of voter onboard. You don't see the Republicans trying to get establishment Democrats onside either.
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I don't disagree, however to make sense of Brexit, Trump, BoJo and Scomo (not as extreme, but a win against the odds) it would make sense that the fringes of the left do more to turn the centre left, centre right than vice versa.
 
Nothing will come of the riots as "the people" don't know what the issue is, why the issue exists in the first place and how to remedy the issue. I don't believe the issue is racial discrimination alone but something far deeper that can't be resolved whilst the country the United States continues to exist.


Let's take a step back here.........Floyd is a known criminal, who spent 5 years in jail, including offenses of violence, use of weapons and drugs. Thus cops using force to protect themselves is not unreasonable as Floyd is known to be armed and many of the citizens and criminals carry guns. Nor is it unreasonable for cops to not listen to his pleas, as criminals lie all the time.

Now don't get me wrong, the actions of the cops was grossly wrong and I hope they are convicted as murderers.......however their actions are not unreasonable for given the state of US society.

So if the cops actions are not unreasonable, what is going wrong?




For me, the United States is a poster child of when you "win a war" you actually "lose a war". Winning dependence and winning the frontier wars left the US with the right to guns. Winning the civil war and the issue on slavery, left the North on the high ground on race but allowed segregation and institutionalised racism to continue. Winning WW2 left them with an economy that is built on a war machine, Winning the cold war has left the United States allergic to anything socialist such as health care, minimum wages, worker rights and social safety nets.

Add that up........Floyd and many others are born black, receiving below average education, faced with a life on minimum wages as a ceiling and turned to drugs for short term reward.

Floyd steals to feed his drug habit and perhaps even a buzz in life where he felt he was more than a minimum wage man.

He goes to jail only to set a course to his fateful day.



Meanwhile the cops who probably started life no better than Floyd, just dumb arses with limited opportunity in life and score a shit paying job to deal with shit people every day. Time after time, they are faced with shit people's lies, shit people's actions including guns and violence. As a result they probably have PTSD, hate their jobs, hate their lives and definitely hate their "customers".

Then on that fateful day they treat Floyd, who was probably already dying, like shit and the rest is history.





So for me, unless the US sets decent minimum wage, introduces proper social welfare safety nets, introduces education systems that deliver respectable outcomes, reduce discrimination and get rid of guns................then this will happen time and time again.

However is the issue is so deep and complex, the people will never achieve anything positive from rioting. Unless the United States breaks into many new countries and can separate themselves from the history that has scarred their history and culture.
 
mattf83 said:
I don't disagree, however to make sense of Brexit, Trump, BoJo and Scomo (not as extreme, but a win against the odds) it would make sense that the fringes of the left do more to turn the centre left, centre right than vice versa.
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I think there's a substantial narrative out these times when the 'right' has won about the little people - the 'silent majority'. However I think if you actually look at each individual instances I think there's other factors at play. MOst of them weren't really big polling misses (Fivethirtyeight said there was about a 35% chance of Trump winning on election day, for example and Brexit had consistently shown very close polls).

Firstly, I wouldn't say Brexit was as much a left vs right win. I'd say it's now become a bigger left/right divide and was always pushed moreso by those on the right, but I don't think it quite fits neatly into a left/right split. Large segments of the right were arguing against it and Cameron argued much more vociferously for remain than Corbyn, for example. It has since become much more of a left/right issue.

Bojo won the last election because of a moronic voting system in the UK and the failure of the Labour and Lib Dem parties to compromise, with "left"-leaning parties winning about 52/53% of the vote vs about 47/48% for the Brexit Party/Conservatives. I wouldn't say this shows much about the far left dissuading actual voters, moreso incompetence of the left politically to mobilise in an effective way.

Trump similarly won without a plurality of the vote and also wasn't as clearly insane prior to election as he has been since. I will be surprised if he's not found out at the next election. Yes he has a steadfast 40-45% approval rating, but I would be surprised if that is enough this time. I guess we shall see.

Scomo really was a good example of someone on the 'right' winning against the odds in an unfavourable electoral environment after the incompetence of the Liberal government. I'd personally put that down to the stupidity of Labour making themselves a massive target with policies that were easy to run scare campaigns on, rather than the far left having a big influence. But would be happy to be proven wrong on that point.
 
Jpw22511 said:
Ahh whatever Hirdy
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I didn’t think it was possible for you to outdo your previous post in completeness and just being 100% watertight, but here we are.
 
tangolikelama said:
Is this the collapse of USA?
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More a case of rinse and repeat,history in action. Until they tackle the systemic inequalities and race relations that fuels much of the derision they are condemned to repeat it .
In the words of JFK "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
 
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