MRP / Trib. 2021 MRO Chook Lotto - Carlton Tribunal News & Reports

[Juddafideslenko]

We got a sneak preview and it was popular enough. Kids loved it.
Take one away and what choice do you have?

Slowly but surely before our eyes i agree its happening

AFLX is the end game.
Contact sport will be phased out.

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[Juddafideslenko]

In
A
Nutshell

So 18.5.1 suddenly gets written out of the rule book because the tribunal says you can't run in to contest a mark and make incidental conduct. No player is going to contest a mark now because they might be suspended at the drop of a hat by the AFL.

The AFL can get f’ed. They bring in 2 former judges and a player who only played 18 games back in the 90s and now works as a silk. We got stitched up because the AFL didn't want to look like the *******s they are.

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[Ken Navies]

Wish Plow was not out injured. Would like to see what would happen if we just said get ****ed and played him anyway.
Strictly for shits and giggles Thy, speaking as one of ‘those‘ people.

 

[Arr0w]

Shit happens, we move on

 

[Juddafideslenko]

Yep was a much larger decision than some gave credit for.

It attacks the very essense of the game.

How can it not be a marking contest if the ball was kicked from upfield, on the full, towards two or more players?

In a marking contest you can spoil.
(Although most defenders would probably disagree these days, except if you're playing on Harry)
If you cant mark, you're allowed to spoil.

A contest in a contact sport equals just that on most occasions. CONTACT!!

The players run at maximum speed and are fit and strong due to a crazy regiment so impact of any decent kind can cause injury if all combatants are not braced for contact at the very least.
Luck has much to do with it too.

This was bad luck!

A player got injured though and its not 'good optics' in the current 'cotton wool' climate and the fear of future litigation by the AFL.
Fair enough, but this is insanity!

If Plow had stayed on the ground as long or longer, who gets a holiday then?

Pretty much every time a player sustains an injury now as a result of a contest, will end up as a tribunal appearance.
The game is f’ed

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[Funk]

Yep im teetering on the edge.
My AFL intake gets less and less and y'know what?
The world didn't end

Country footy rules!!

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True.

I‘d rather go and watch my mates young blokes play in the local suburban comp.

Enjoy the game, 3 minutes from home, have a drink and chat with my mates - what’s not to like??

 

[Funk]

sh*t happens, we move on

very, very sloooowwwwwlllllyyyyy..........

 

[Dramoth]

sh*t happens, we move on

Until the next time it happens and nothing happens to the "infringing" player. Then we should take it to court. The AFL has set a precedence now for OHS and duty of care to the head. If they don't automatically give the offending player 2 weeks... then they are open to a lawsuit by said injured player and by the workplace OHS commission themselves.

"Your honour, I was injured in a marking contest after the AFL changed the rule 18.5.1 by penalising another player despite 18.5.1 being the standing rule for trying to spoil another player in a marking contest. The AFL set the precedence and have failed to enforce their new ruling set at the tribunal. I am wishing compensation from the AFL to the tune of 1 billion dollars for pain and suffering and potential life long side effects of being concussed like that!".

The AFL would shit itself because they put themselves on the spot now. Any incidental contact during a marking contest which doesn't result in the player getting suspended will result in a lawsuit.

 

[agro]

Let’s all watch super champion and gentlemen Syd Jackson on “The Front Bar” right now, and move on!!!

 

[Juddafideslenko]

Exactly! The vibe is far more chilled and welcoming.
People dont want to sell anything but a raffle ticket a beer and a pie and the league doesn't think its the morality police on every dividing issue on the planet.

Sick of the corruption the unbalance the uneven draw and fixturing.
Double standards everywhere.

Sooner or later, you have to look yourself in the mirror and explain to yourself that the game you grew up with, played, supported and loved is a crock of shit.

Well the corporate AFL version anyway!

They're peddling a religion so can get away with pretty much anything short of murder.

True.

I‘d rather go and watch my mates young blokes play in the local suburban comp.

Enjoy the game, 3 minutes from home, have a drink and chat with my mates - what’s not to like??

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[katmanblue]

sh*t happens, we move on

Hahah.

Have you seen these threads?

 

[Dramoth]

AFLX is the end game.
Contact sport will be phased out.

This... because this allows US billionaires to buy licences for the abomination of a game so that they can set up teams in the US and play the soft version over there. Gill the Dill wants AFLX to be the default game here in Oz so that it makes it more appealing to the yanks and generates billions of dollars in licencing, merchandisins and the like over in the US. It means he can pocket hundreds of millions of dollars in bonus cheques over the years. Eventually, he will retire from the admiinistration of the game and hand the reins off to his hand picked successor (after a large sum of money appears in his account), like he was Fat Vlads' hand picked successor (after a large sum of money appeared in Fat Vlads' account).

 

[Dramoth]

Hahah.

Have you seen these threads?

We move on... AFL house with our pitchforks and torches!

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

This one was as laughable as the Ed Curnow umpire touch. No wonder our players don't go hard enough. When they do they get rubbed out.

 

[JustaBattler]

The Plow gets a nice recovery block to work with now - will be missed, lets see if someone else can step in.

All the AFL proved tonight was that it was their call wether something is what a player says it was or wether it is what the AFL chooses to say it was.

Would be nice if Carlton wasnt always the guinea pig in these statements it wishes to make about whatever is hot at the time. Goldspink getting off with a fine - makes the whole thing farcical really - but no newspaper or journo will attack the AFL - directly.

Situation normal.

 

[Abyss]

It was a positive sign to me that CFC did not take this lying down, as we have done in recent times. it shows management are looking for accountability and will bulldog from here on in. It indicates we are serious about results, we arent going to cop to the AFL and their double standards, we back our players and will seek a modicum of balance in these types of decisions in the future.
I like it in so many ways, CFC signaling we mean business on and off the field. This is crucial if we are to challenge for a premiership in the near future.

 

[no fate]

There’s no chance he gets off. AFL will try everything in its power to not look stupid in 2 decisions

And so it proved.
In fact we should never have expected anything else.
Let's look at the facts again:
All 3 levels of the suspension and appeals process are paid by the AFL and told directly what to do, especially in higher profile cases. .
AFL has been looking to find a bunny they could set up to show how responsible they are now w.r.t. concussion. Found a perfect one in Plowman (Carlton).
AFL might admit they were wrong once in a blue moon (and blame a scapegoat). Certainly never twice in a row.
The decision was made and final from the start. Wouldn't have mattered what happened.
AFL can get f*?!ed.
OK, the last bit is my opinion.

 

[LanceRomance]

The whole system is broken when it took a rando in the crowd to submit footage of hartigan elbowing Walsh in the face for any action to be taken.

He only gets three weeks for a deliberate hit to the head.

Then it appears the AFL stuff around with the definition of incidental to get the outcomes they wanted for Plowman... He gets two weeks for what was an accident.

 

[BlueBayou]

Think you'll find it was head on shoulder.

Nail in head?

 

[Jabba73]

Media unsurprisingly mute over the decision, they have all been told ‘accept the decision and move on’ is the only response allowed.

If the above isn’t true, it is the first time in history every commentator agrees on the punishment handed out to a player and decided that despite the outcry from fans of all teams, there is no column inches or talkback minutes to fill with discussion of said incident.

 

[BlueBayou]

How many weeks does Frank “Bluey” Adams get?

Man behind game's 'most brutal collision' loses battle with cancer

Six-time premiership Demon starred on the footy field and the athletics track but he was perhaps best known for his role in the 1955 GF

www.afl.com.au

Thanks for the reference

"nor was there a League investigation, as it was generally accepted that it had simply been an unfortunate accident."

How times have changed

 

[BlueBayou]

Not sure how this is different to the knee in the back of the head during a marking contest. Marker knows they're leading with the knee, know the risk of hitting a player in the head, they often do hit the player in the head. Concussion or not, precedence from Williams suspension potential outcome for harm, even in non-contact sports such collisions occur and people don't get suspended.

This!

Use this as evidence every time there is a 'football act' which leads to a collission/headclash/unwanted outcome. Lets see the AFL ban speckies...

 

[Gethelred]

The Plow gets a nice recovery block to work with now - will be missed, lets see if someone else can step in.

All the AFL proved tonight was that it was their call wether something is what a player says it was or wether it is what the AFL chooses to say it was.

Would be nice if Carlton wasnt always the guinea pig in these statements it wishes to make about whatever is hot at the time. Goldspink getting off with a fine - makes the whole thing farcical really - but no newspaper or journo will attack the AFL - directly.

Situation normal.

What's interesting to me in all of this is that the Player's Association is silent through this kind of thing.

You would've thought that any tribunal hearing would be conducted with a PA representative there, to ensure that a player is not called a liar either by implication - as has happened here tonight - or in actuality.

I understand that one does not bite the hand that feeds, but they are ostensibly there to be a player's union. Why is a tribunal appeal allowed to disregard a player's verbal statement that they went to spoil when the video evidence supports it?

By implication, they are calling Plowman dishonest. How is that considered a reasonable thing by the PA?

 

[Couper]

PA a toothless tiger

 

[BlueBayou]

I started writing a response detailing that Plow could've made it slightly more obvious that he was going for a spoil, but you know what? It's bullshit. It would've been a pantomime; if he extended his right arm, he still wouldn't have reached the ball around O'Meara's body. His only chance to encounter the ball before O'Meara would've required a) him leaping over O'Meara in order to get his left fist to the ball and risking the same or a worse result to O'Meara, or b) lunging with his left arm extended over O'Meara's shoulder, not protecting himself at all and exposing himself to a dislocated shoulder and - still - risking making contact to O'Meara's head.

And - further to the point - both of those would breach a rule, whether in the back, chopping the arms, illegal contact, whatever.

Either he positions his arms in a pantomime to emphasise a little bit more that it's the ball he's after - which is ******* stupid, that we require a player to be dishonest to avoid suspension - or he risks worse injury to himself and his opponent.

This makes me wonder why I follow this sport again.

You need to stop making sense.

"It will drive you crazy, it will drive you insane."

Plowman got Slobbo'ed.
The aFL Tribunal ran scared of the howl