2021 Training Reports

[McLuggages]

Would recommend listening to Mitch Robbo’s lates pod. Has Harris on there for a good long chat on wide ranging topics. I don’t usually listen but had to this time.

Speaks about Draft year, early lions days, living with berry/clug,a bit about Daniher.

 

[DashinD]

Neale not old enough to manage must have something

Danny Daly also said that due to the usually late finish to the season they’re managing senior players preseason bit more

 

[Dalions]

Danny Daly also said that due to the usually late finish to the season they’re managing senior players preseason bit more

Yeah that doesn’t really make sense to me.
Unusually late finish to last season but Also an unusually late start to pre-season so all evens itself out really.
And we are now close to mid Feb.

 

[jackess]

Yeah that doesn’t really make sense to me.
Unusually late finish to last season but Also an unusually late start to pre-season so all evens itself out really.
And we are now close to mid Feb.

Playing games would be a fair bit more tough on the body than running laps and going to the gym.

 

[Dalions]

Playing games would be a fair bit more tough on the body than running laps and going to the gym.

Of course, I am not denying that.
I don’t mind him not playing the matches at this time.
It’s more that he really appears to be doing very little at all. I have been to a few sessions, certainly not all or anywhere close to all but I haven’t seen him run at all at any of the training I have seen.

 

[Quigley]

We have had a fantastic run with injuries over the last few years whilst still looking fit enough to run out games. Whatever the team is doing is working on that front and after some of the injury plagued years we had I am willing to back them in to manage a guy if they thing he needs it.

 

[Lace Out]

Let’s hope he can repeat the Brownlow with completely different preparation

 

[Cubs2Lions]

Playing games would be a fair bit more tough on the body than running laps and going to the gym.

I know this might sound dumb what I might say and the club would probably never listen to it given the risks of losing:

But if I was part of the coaching group, I would be very inclined to not play some of our "mature" players like Zorks, Neale, & Robinson for Round 1 against the Swans if they are still being managed (unlikely though), so that they can be 100% match fit against the much tougher Cats in Round 2 and to give some young players a chance to see how they would fare at the highest level.

Looking at our lineup without Zorko, Neale & Robinson atm, our Best 22 without those players (IMO) still looks quite damaging even without our 3 mature midfielders in it heading into Round 1 (depending injuries):

Round 1 vs. Sydney

B: Birchall / Andrews / Rich
HB: Starcevich / Gardiner / Cockatoo
C: McCluggage / Ellis-Yolman / Bailey
HF: Rayner / Hipwood / K.Coleman
F: Cameron / Daniher / McCarthy
FOL: McInerney / Lyons / J.Berry
INT: Ah Chee / McStay / Payne / Roberston

I know the club won't but I don't want Zorko, Neale & Robinson being rushed and then gets injured for a extended period of time as a result of not being fully fit for R1.

I would get those players being 110% ready for the match down against Geelong in R2 given how strong their midfield and squad is compared to the Swans at this given time IMO.

 

[Brett C]

Yeah that doesn’t really make sense to me.
Unusually late finish to last season but Also an unusually late start to pre-season so all evens itself out really.
And we are now close to mid Feb.

it doesn't have to make sense to us, it has to make sense to the medical/fitness staff who know what they're doing.

 

[martinson]

Imagine if we rested Neale and lost against the Swans.

Big Footy would blow up.

 

[Full Wingspan]

I wonder how we (and other clubs for that matter) will adjust their programs for the return of 20 minute quarters. Hopefully we show an ability to run out games and hit the scoreboard heavily in red-time.

It will be interesting to observe how this year compares to 2019. I'm undecided on what impact the legacy of season 2020 will have on the game and whether we'll see more blowouts or close games.

 

[dlanod]

Imagine if we rested Neale and lost against the Swans.

Big Footy would blow up.

Bloody pissweak club.

 

[Tom14]

Lmao at the idea of resting players for Round 1.

 

[Dalions]

it doesn't have to make sense to us, it has to make sense to the medical/fitness staff who know what they're doing.

I have full faith in the clubs Medical and Fitness staff.
Runs are on the board.

 

[chopperduck]

The return to 20m quarters is probably part of managing the more senior players. It is early Feb, no need to blow an injury to a key player early. It is different if they have had time off from injury, and they need the conditioning and game touch to get up and running. But for others like Neale, he has done enough pre seasons. He isn't building his tank or his body like younger guys, he just needs to hit the right levels at the right time.

It is very likely that the club could have it's sights on round 6ish as being the time for the playing group to hit peak fitness, or even later. Early part of season could be more so injury prevention and slowly building up the levels.

There is so much that goes into it, it is impossible to make really make judgements without all the info.

 

[davemc_lions]

i say lessen the load and also allow younger kids a go in practise matches
If Neale, Robbo, Berry and Zorko plays then those kids not get a run in the midfield.
Or players like Linc, Bailey, Matho etc get less time

A long season with full qtrs again so rest when you can

 

[Dalions]

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

A definite tease there.

 

[jackess]

Not cheap at $140 each

 

[BangyBangy]

Not cheap at $140 each

Yeah, but it's two jumpers in one

 

[Dalions]

Yeah, but it's two jumpers in one

Just like a pair of undies.
Turn it inside out and you will get another week. Atleast.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Just like a pair of undies.
Turn it inside out and you will get another week. Atleast.

Where will you be seated again?

 

[Dalions]

Where will you be seated again?

 

[Ralphy2017]

I know this might sound dumb what I might say and the club would probably never listen to it given the risks of losing:

But if I was part of the coaching group, I would be very inclined to not play some of our "mature" players like Zorks, Neale, & Robinson for Round 1 against the Swans if they are still being managed (unlikely though), so that they can be 100% match fit against the much tougher Cats in Round 2 and to give some young players a chance to see how they would fare at the highest level.

Looking at our lineup without Zorko, Neale & Robinson atm, our Best 22 without those players (IMO) still looks quite damaging even without our 3 mature midfielders in it heading into Round 1 (depending injuries):

Round 1 vs. Sydney

B: Birchall / Andrews / Rich
HB: Starcevich / Gardiner / Cockatoo
C: McCluggage / Ellis-Yolman / Bailey
HF: Rayner / Hipwood / K.Coleman
F: Cameron / Daniher / McCarthy
FOL: McInerney / Lyons / J.Berry
INT: Ah Chee / McStay / Payne / Roberston

I know the club won't but I don't want Zorko, Neale & Robinson being rushed and then gets injured for a extended period of time as a result of not being fully fit for R1.

I would get those players being 110% ready for the match down against Geelong in R2 given how strong their midfield and squad is compared to the Swans at this given time IMO.

Especially for the trial game against Suns and community game against GWS, play the young guys for reward for training and to develop their games. Last year there was a clear indication by selecting Birch and Adams for the trial games and the two Marsh Series games that coaching staff were trying to get them as match fit as possible for round 1 against the Hawkes, which we lost (Birch did not play due to hammy?)
According to Lions, Gardner has had some issues with his knee so would not risk him unless absolutely 100% and whilst Payne needs the experience would not play him in any preseason games after Fages mentioned he has/had some virus similar to GF.

 

[Cubs2Lions]

Especially for the trial game against Suns and community game against GWS, play the young guys for reward for training and to develop their games. Last year there was a clear indication by selecting Birch and Adams for the trial games and the two Marsh Series games that coaching staff were trying to get them as match fit as possible for round 1 against the Hawkes, which we lost (Birch did not play due to hammy?)
According to Lions, Gardner has had some issues with his knee so would not risk him unless absolutely 100% and whilst Payne needs the experience would not play him in any preseason games after Fages mentioned he has/had some virus similar to GF.

Exactly true, I just feel that with a longer season & longer quarters being proposed this year (depending COVID), you have to get the players to be a lot more match ready compared to last season therefore I can understand why the club are resting their main midfield cartel for the time-being just before the season begins.

However, I just feel like all the players that are still being managed in our Best 22 (Zorko, Neale, Robinson, J.Berry) and even the older players in that 22 from last year like Birchall & McCarthy who are prone to injury in the past should just be rested for at least that Suns pre/pre-season match and get most of those players back for that GWS match and other intra-club matches to get them as match fit as possible.

Even if we do get smashed 150-0 against the Suns in that game, I would rather want that then being in an injury crisis mid-season and having to play multiple players who haven't played before at the highest level before.

Our lineup still looks quite good enough with all of those young talent at our club if we played a young squad against the Suns:

Pre/Pre-Season Match vs. Gold Coast Suns (Round 1)
B: Answerth / Andrews / Rich
HB: Starcevich / Adams / Cockatoo
C: McCluggage / E.Smith / Ah Chee
HF: Rayner / Hipwood / Bailey
F: Cameron / Daniher / K.Coleman
FOL: McInerney / Lyons / Mathieson
INT: Ballenden / T.Berry / Fullarton / Prior / Roberston / B.Smith

Regarding Birchall, I think by memory he actually got selected in the Best 22 for that round, and then while he was in Melbourne with the squad injured the hammy the night before or something and that paved the way for Roberston to debut for his first game for the club.