Fantasy 2022 - EMPIRE League - Discussion

[TheGreatBarryB]

I will tweak hybrid anyway, because i think mobile QBs were being slightly disadvantaged in the previous hybrid version.

But essentially, the changes on offense were fixing errors in a few equations and literal typos here and there.

Little things, not fundamental changes to how they score. Especially now that points for "first downs" was reinstated (hybrid) there isn't a deal-breaking difference anymore.

I kinda remember some examples....like say Tom Brady scored 450 before, in hybrid he scored like say 435. Whilst Jared Goff scored say 160 he now scored say 175. And some players like RBs scored say 10 pts more. Many others were affected by say only 1-5 pts. It's all because of typos like fumbles and incorrectly working equations on bonus pts categories.

The drastic difference is that IDPs are more evened out amongst themselves. Which also was geared toward helping the MFL problem when a DT became a DE or a DE became a LB, it made that player useless to own.

Don't look at it as shamelessly bumping up defense and nerfing offense. But like reducing DTs to a more reasonable mark, and then increasing DE/LB/DB to that same rough mark.

DTs were scoring just a bit too much, so top DTs down from say 250 to 230.

DEs and LBs is where the big difference is, pushed up from say 170 before to 220.

CBs and S smaller increase to be around say 190-215 instead of 170-190.

The outcome of hybrid is that the top offensive players still score significantly more than the top IDPs. Like say 300-430. Whilst the top IDPS are around the 180-230 range across the board (dt, de, lb, cb, s).

As you go further down the list of offensive players,, the average and fringe, theres more evenness with the glut of average defensive players.

The top say 75 to 200 scorers is populated more equally across offensive and defensive positions.

But, keep in mind, IDP scoring was overhauled based on statistical re-analysis of the previous five years of NFL, and not just pulling equations out of my ass.

Eg, if the top DTs were getting say 20-30 tackles a year, and the top DEs getting say 40-50 a year, and the top LBs getting say 90-100 tackles, and the top DBs getting say 70-90, then creating new equations for tackles so that purely on tackles theyd all roughly score the same points.

Again wait till the playoffs end, I'll do the scoring changes, so that everyone can actually SEE.

When you made the changes a few months ago many off players dropped 40-50 points and many shit defenders increased by same amount. Didn’t Lamar drop 100 points?

Why are we bothering increasing DBs which is the most random position and awards picked on players? Write down every change you intend to make

I really can’t be arsed to be honest with this obsession of making scores uniform with a more normal distribution. Just increased luck more

 

[Exe Gesis]

When you made the changes a few months ago many off players dropped 40-50 points and many s**t defenders increased by same amount. Didn’t Lamar drop 100 points?

Why are we bothering increasing DBs which is the most random position and awards picked on players? Write down every change you intend to make

I really can’t be arsed to be honest with this obsession of making scores uniform with a more normal distribution. Just increased luck more

That was pre-hybrid. Hybrid reinstated points accrued from first downs, so there wasnt that 40-50 pt difference anymore.

Thats what hyvrid means. The version where i reinstated pts from first downs.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

When you made the changes a few months ago many off players dropped 40-50 points and many s**t defenders increased by same amount. Didn’t Lamar drop 100 points?

Why are we bothering increasing DBs which is the most random position and awards picked on players? Write down every change you intend to make

I really can’t be arsed to be honest with this obsession of making scores uniform with a more normal distribution. Just increased luck more

I agree with just leaving the offense alone. Also with you on the DBs getting an increase, such a luck position, generally the worse a DB is the more chance they have of scoring well coz QBs will pick on them.

LBs and DEs I like the idea of them getting a buff. Sacks, QB hits, and tackles for loss should be the stats we are mainly targeting.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Will wait for GG to implement it first and have a look before worrying too much. We could easily be getting upset about nothing.

 

[Exe Gesis]

DBs got bumped up 10 pts say not just because i arbitrarily pulled numbers out of thin air, but the re-analysis of the frequency all the scoring metrics that all IDPs accrue in the NFL.

If DBs were getting 70-90 tackles a year and DTs getting 20-30 and LBs 90-100, then leveling it so they all scored the same figure roughly from tackles.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Theres a new fantasy league site (League Tycoon) that ripped off Sleeper's UI and implemented options for a salary cap league. You have to pay to set up a league, like we do on MFL.

Gonna do a dive into League Tycoon tomorrow and see if it's possible to replicate Empire on there. There isnt just salary cap and contracts to assess, but scoring options, commish options, etc.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Yeah nah it can't replicate it.

It's a good site, good options, if one were to start up a new cap league, something different. But it isnt anywhere near as deep in options etc as MFL, plus it's pretty expensive....$10 USD per head. Thatd be $160 USD (200+) just to set up league before factoring in any prizemoney.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Yeah nah it can't replicate it.

It's a good site, good options, if one were to start up a new cap league, something different. But it isnt anywhere near as deep in options etc as MFL, plus it's pretty expensive....$10 USD per head. Thatd be $160 USD (200+) just to set up league before factoring in any prizemoney.

$160 US per year? **** me.

 

[Exe Gesis]

$160 US per year? * me.

Fantasy is a lucrative market like gambling. Expecting tons of these new sites to pop up.

 

[Exe Gesis]

11 ytp vs 13 ytp while 20-30 down. Looks like a one and done for the Riders too many low scorers for me already whilst Arakaan's few scoring big.

 

[00Stinger]

And then there was 4

The Patriots gift to Chandler Jones made today interesting.

Lucky I won, with three 0's there might have been talk about tanking

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Good luck to the 4 remaining, hoping Arakaan takes it home for the best division in Empire.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

For those that are out of contention I think it’s only fair that they must remain under the salary cap as allowing them to take on players they can’t afford is unfair on those still remaining.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

For those that are out of contention I think it’s only fair that they must remain under the salary cap as allowing them to take on players they can’t afford is unfair on those still remaining.

I havent taken any players on, check the transaction history, all I did was move my taxi squad players to my main roster, have moved them back now just for you.

 

[Exe Gesis]

I havent taken any players on, check the transaction history, all I did was move my taxi squad players to my main roster, have moved them back now just for you.

Riders $60m dead cap > Bismarck $56m I take the crown again

 

[Exe Gesis]

Update ....

----Payment Collection----

Send $28.50 via Paypal to gg.v69.exe@outlook.com

In the item description call it something like "Payment for Christmas BBQ", do not use words like fantasy or empire.


--EXEMPT 2022--
BeinPurplenGreen
Arakaan


--PAID 2022--
GG.exe
Alldatpower
TheGreatBarryB
Drd23
Shiny_On_Top
00Stinger


--UNPAID 2022--
peterbuch74
LennyHayes77
Dagless
bgt2110
WRU666
Dixie Flatline
J Shuttlesworth
Blacky

+++Notes+++
Only drd23 used the "BBQ" excuse, others still used "Empire" Should be fine just don't use "fantasy".

Not anyone's fault, but often due to Paypal taking their commission or conversion rates, the 28.50 aud often ends up like 26.00 aud so i gotta make up the shortfall, but it is what it is.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Update 2....

Need people's votes for this still....



---Voting Topics---

1. Scoring Changes -- hybrid version floated previous off-season....

a) Yes​

b) No​

2. Draft Order -- (for 2024)...

a) Non-playoff teams ordered by Power Ranking​

b) Non-playoff teams ordered by Potential Points​

c) Keep as is, draft order determined by W-L record​

3. Tie-Breakers -- Only for Wild Card spots for two or more teams in different divisions (given only one h2h is played)....

a) Keep as is, Div Rec > Conf Rec > H2H > AllPlay > Power Rank​

b) H2H > Conf Rec > AllPlay > Power Rank​

c) Conf Rec > H2H > AllPlay > PR​

d) Conf Rec > AllPlay > PR > H2H​

​

4. Rosters -- Remove ability to start Bye players

a) Yes​

b) No​

5. Annually Rotate Teams in Divisions/Conferences ....

a) No and No​

b) Yes divisions only inside a conference​

c) Yes to both divisions and conferences​

 

[Exe Gesis]

Update 3....

---2023 Draft Order---

01. BPG Vandals
02. Greenville Gorillas
03. Tuanami
04. Denver Donkeys
05. Long Beach Leatherheads
06. Til Valhall
07. Damn Fine Dodgers
08. Bismarck FC
09. SAMCRO
10. Mojave Riders
11. Drd23's Army
12. Los Borrachos
...13-16 to be decided

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Riders $60m dead cap > Bismarck $56m I take the crown again

60m is a new dead cap record I think too, I tried my best but hard to take down the dead cap champ.

 

[Exe Gesis]

The decision to remove Bye starters will involve a number of other inclusions btw. All geared toward league integrity.

If there was any bad blood or suspicions this season, don't give up on the league, it was only one season of it, say, when we had 10 seasons of integrity already, and steps can be made to tighten things up when issues pop up. I personally don't believe any integrity was compromised this season, just life and people being busy, but to ensure everyone feels confident in the league is why.

-- Lineups will no longer carry forward from the previous week, all lineups will be empty each new week. So players heading into a bye week wont populate a lineup if an owner has been inactive etc
-- Commish will have to manually submit any empty lineups every Thursday night in case anyone is inactive.
-- New waiver rule that any added players via waivers will automatically move to starting lineup WHERE POSSIBLE...this often happens where someone submits a lineup midweek, then during the week as part of a waiver claim a player already starting gets cut, so a lineup ends up a player short, so this setting will ensure that wont happen.
-- Some other back-end commish settings here and there.
-- 36 active will likely mean 38 active to allow people to carry an extra kicker and punter each.
-- That in turn will mean increasing the cap a little, but the new scoring that boosts DE and LB will also mean increasing the cap a little more too. No idea yet what the cap will be, have to run an analysis, others can do an stat analysis for me too, but it could be like 110m or so?

 

[Exe Gesis]

60m is a new dead cap record I think too, I tried my best but hard to take down the dead cap champ.

And i started the year saying to myself to try not to do that again grrr. I swear next season I will keep trying

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

And i started the year saying to myself to try not to do that again grrr. I swear next season I will keep trying

dead cap addict. you need some professional help.

 

[Exe Gesis]

dead cap addict. you need some professional help.

If it happens again i will book into a Fantasy Addict Clinic asap. But I DO have a new cap strategy I'm planning for next season.

 

[00Stinger]

Go me.....

Yeah

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

The decision to remove Bye starters will involve a number of other inclusions btw. All geared toward league integrity.

If there was any bad blood or suspicions this season, don't give up on the league, it was only one season of it, say, when we had 10 seasons of integrity already, and steps can be made to tighten things up when issues pop up. I personally don't believe any integrity was compromised this season, just life and people being busy, but to ensure everyone feels confident in the league is why.

-- Lineups will no longer carry forward from the previous week, all lineups will be empty each new week. So players heading into a bye week wont populate a lineup if an owner has been inactive etc
-- Commish will have to manually submit any empty lineups every Thursday night in case anyone is inactive.
-- New waiver rule that any added players via waivers will automatically move to starting lineup WHERE POSSIBLE...this often happens where someone submits a lineup midweek, then during the week as part of a waiver claim a player already starting gets cut, so a lineup ends up a player short, so this setting will ensure that wont happen.
-- Some other back-end commish settings here and there.
-- 36 active will likely mean 38 active to allow people to carry an extra kicker and punter each.
-- That in turn will mean increasing the cap a little, but the new scoring that boosts DE and LB will also mean increasing the cap a little more too. No idea yet what the cap will be, have to run an analysis, others can do a stat analysis for me too, but it could be like 110m or so?

Can we know how much you’re planning to increase LB and DE. Show us examples of say top 10-20? I mean $10m increase min. jus for those spots?

Also always found it odd that we have only 6 specialist off starters and 8 def. We have 5 total wr/te/rb and 4 total dbs the arsiest position in ff. That’s a little crazy if you think about it

How about we increase wr/te/rb from 5 to 6 starters and decrease cb from 2 to 1?