Fantasy 2023 - ALPHA League - Discussion

[Exe Gesis]

We need to re-imagine this league, make changes, not an Omega clone either, just different ... Perhaps points league only, perhaps no IDPs just DST, etc. Collective group ideas.

Really need to decide something soon, if we are to get 3+ new people in and continue it. For the sake of the league.

 

[Exe Gesis]

manureid
peterbuch74
TheGreatBarryB
Dagless
balmainforever
NakedDeadGuy

 

[Exe Gesis]

drd23
Stuxnet

 

[Exe Gesis]

Jatz and J Shuttlesworth have expressed interest maybe, pending new ideas. Jatz for instance prefers DST instead of IDP.

 

[manureid]

Jatz and J Shuttlesworth have expressed interest maybe, pending new ideas. Jatz for instance prefers DST instead of IDP.

Not really a fan of DST myself. But if the consensus goes for that then will do it.

 

[Exe Gesis]

FF has the best scoring options.
So Omega is the very best both offense and defense I've ever put together.

But i dont want to make Omega and Alpha clones either. Scoring or too similar roster sizes and starters etc.

I'm open to keeping it all as is, tho it's outdated. Also open to making Alpha completely different....total points not h2h maybe, DST maybe, or maybe IDPs but less of them, but then also less offense too ....etc with ideas.

If you left it to me to just make something completely new I could do it, but prefer group ideas.

Also with FF, you can choose h2h, total points, or roto method. Maybe roto? Never really tried that before. It's like whoever does best in each category (passing, rushing, etc) with their rosters gets the win. So Manureid vs GG, say, Manureid did better than me in 5 categories, whereas i did better than him in 7 categories, so i win 7-5. You still draft and roster players, but yeah

 

[J Shuttlesworth]

Understand the extra time involved with managing IDP, but changing to D/ST would be a pretty huge shift

 

[Exe Gesis]

 

[Exe Gesis]

Ah, so roto is like say create a category for say Passing, Rushing Receiving Kicking Defense, maybe micro categories in each, and you might be ranked #1 #5 #8 #2 etc across the categories and whoever has the best overall rank leads the comp etc. Like total points idea, no weekly matchups, but by category rather than points

 

[manureid]

I would not be changing it that much to say a Roto. Make a new league for that. I am happy to make D players a bit more worthwhile though as they are a bit of an afterthought still. And if we need to reduce squad size maybe to give us a bit better FA pool?

 

[Exe Gesis]

I would not be changing it that much to say a Roto. Make a new league for that. I am happy to make D players a bit more worthwhile though as they are a bit of an afterthought still. And if we need to reduce squad size maybe to give us a bit better FA pool?

Ill propose something in total, and then you guys chip in, yes/no, or, this many not that many, etc. Give me tonight to propose, engaged by XFL games atm

 

[Exe Gesis]

What I'll do is create a Test league on FF with a whole bunch of different things, and then you guys can see what it all looks like rather than theorizing what it could look like....and so i dont overwrite the alpha league until people vote the test league in, then i can easily import ita settings straight to Alpha. And we can tweak Test league till its right.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Reduce QBs …and yes my QBs are shit but starting 3 has always been odd.

 

[peterbuch74]

My 2c worth, I would vote to:

• Keep it H2H
• Reduce roster sizes by 5, but introduce a Taxi Squad for rookies only
• Reduce Max starting QBs to 2, with Max 4 QBs on each roster (not including Taxi squad)
• Keep as IDP, tweak IDP scoring a little more

 

[manureid]

My 2c worth, I would vote to:

• Keep it H2H
• Reduce roster sizes by 5, but introduce a Taxi Squad for rookies only
• Reduce Max starting QBs to 2, with Max 4 QBs on each roster (not including Taxi squad)
• Keep as IDP, tweak IDP scoring a little more

All good ideas in my opinion.

 

[peterbuch74]

All good ideas in my opinion.

My 2c worth, I would vote to:

• Keep it H2H
• Reduce roster sizes by 5, but introduce a Taxi Squad for rookies only
• Reduce Max starting QBs to 2, with Max 4 QBs on each roster (not including Taxi squad)
• Keep as IDP, tweak IDP scoring a little more

I should also add... * Keep Taxi Squad limited to 4 or 5... that'll stop hoarding and will force rookies onto rosters which will in turn increase the Free Agency pool

 

[Dagless]

My 2c worth, I would vote to:

• Keep it H2H
• Reduce roster sizes by 5, but introduce a Taxi Squad for rookies only
• Reduce Max starting QBs to 2, with Max 4 QBs on each roster (not including Taxi squad)
• Keep as IDP, tweak IDP scoring a little more

Chya, was thinking keep start 2 QB to maintain value but remove the option to start a third. But make it an actual QB position.

Also think a refresh keeper draft would be fun with all teams picking 10 players and everything back into the pool otherwise.
Beef up IDP TOO

 

[Exe Gesis]

Test League set up to compare with Alpha....

Test · NFL

1) check roster sizes, starters, max per position... compared to Alpha (new tab)

2) IR 4 max but have to be IR/S or C covid, no Outs which was stupid, hoarding

3) Taxi 4 max rookies only

4) same kind of things like waivers every wednesday, go to end of queue)

5) max roster 32, keepers 26, should mean lots of FAs, more activity in waivers, less hoarding because of position maxes down a little, and also should mean more parity when people have to cut their current 40 man rosters in the old format down to 26 keepers and 32 max for new format

6) added 1 offensive flex where you can choose a RB, TE, WR or even an extra kicker....just for something different, tactical, considering Ks score not bad now, but i can remove this if you insist

7) so, because flex can be either rb, wr, te, the number per position to start vs max allowed is basically double....Rb x1 start, maybe 2 if you use one at flex, so 2, so 4 max allowed on roster .... Wr x2 start, maybe 3 if you flex another, so 3, so max 6 allowed....TE x1 (2 flex) so max 4 allowed ...same with kickers 2 max ...same with IDPs....max 4 EDR, IL, CB, S but LB max 6 because 2 to start but 1 flex, so 3, so 6 max, whereas DL and DB x2 can be either IL/EDR and CB/S so 4 max each single position is enough seeing as people might carry say 2 CBs and 3 Safeties, say.

8) Scoring ...wow i love it...turned out great....not complex with a billion different values for each position, just simplified, but added new things that were lacking in Alpha....like Punt blocked TDs, sack yardage, times sacked, etc. Slightly reduced some offensive values because i added more stuff for them to get, so they went down a bit then went up a bit

Basically ....

QBs scoring like 470 down
RBs scoring like 390 down
WRs scoring like 390 down
TEs scoring like 330 at high end quickly down to 200s
Ks (created a new algorithm thats much better) 200 tops, most around 160-170
LBs like 240 down
IL 160 down
EDR 220 down
CB 230 high end but quickly down to 150-170
S 210-220 down

For a simplified version, not heavy and complex, it turned out alright imo

 

[Exe Gesis]

I can add a position specific value for IL to make them equal with EDR and other IDPs, if you want

 

[Exe Gesis]

Compare to alpha ...

QB 450 down (now 470)
RB 340 down (now 390)
WR 360 down (now 390)
TE 300 down (now 330)
K 120 down (now 170-200)
LB 200 down (now 240)
EDR 170 down (now 220)
IL 130 down (now 170)
CB 140 down (now 220)
S 160 down (now 220)

Maybe just try to boost IL to 220 down by giving it own slightly higher values)

 

[Exe Gesis]

Fixed IL...

LB 200 down (now 240)
EDR 170 down (now 210)
IL 130 down (now 210)
CB 140 down (now 220)
S 160 down (now 220)

 

[Exe Gesis]

Maybe try to bring offense back down a little to where it was but still have all those new things they can score that didnt exist in alpha?

Tho i dont mind that they went up a bit, eap as RB and WR are more even now

 

[Exe Gesis]

Tweaked K down so they score 180 down, was just a little too much before

 

[manureid]

We dont want to nerf offense too much. Happy for D to get a bump, but still want to reward good O players. If too much parity then becomes like Omega or Fleaflicker.

 

[Exe Gesis]

I just showed offense wasnt nerfed it got a boost too.