Training 2023 Pre Season

[puppy_dog7]

Just reckon Pato will become a Ross favourite. Will be our more athletically/skilled version of Stevie Baker from 09-10 era.

 

[St Neil]

Collingwood were kissed on the ass by the luck fairy last year, If theyd lost half the games they won by under a goal they'd not have made finals

Yet they lost their two finals last year by 6 points and 1 point. A combined total of 7 points.

They were stiff to lose them both.

It’s what Collingwood did when they didn’t have the ball that impressed me. Regimented, disciplined and self sacrifice for the team.

And their fighting spirit. Never give up. Self belief to always come back and win.

That’s not skill or ability. That’s coaching and will power. No reason why we can’t emulate much of what they did, just need the luck in close matches.

 

[George]

At the AGM they mentioned an intraclub and then practice games against Melbourne and Essendon, all at Moorabbin.

Love it, I've got to get down to them if I can fit them around work

 

[aussierulesrules]

For all this talk about it being likely that it will take time for us to get used to a new game plan, here are a couple of things to consider.

Most if not all teams change their gameplan to some degree every offseason.

Last year, just off the top of my head, all of Geelong, Collingwood and Carlton made significant changes to their gameplan (the latter two with brand new coaching groups), and Geelong won the premiership, Collingwood went from 17th to a point from a GF, while Carlton improved considerably, and were at one stage 8-2. After bursting out of the blocks, with their new gameplan.

Could it take a year to get used to the changes? Sure.

Could we get used to them quickly, just like the above 3 teams (and possibly others) did, just last season? Just as equally sure.

The way some talk about it you’d think it was 90/10 that it will take a year for a team to get used to significant changes. I reckon it’s 50/50 at worst.

And it’s a big advantage that we’re already a fit group. Because it means we can go pretty much straight into match-sim, and working on getting used to the gameplan.

A big chunk of our team being pretty experienced will also help.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

For all this talk about it being likely that it will take time for us to get used to a new game plan, here are a couple of things to consider.

Most if not all teams change their gameplan to some degree every offseason.

Last year, just off the top of my head, all of Geelong, Collingwood and Carlton made significant changes to their gameplan (the latter two with brand new coaching groups), and Geelong won the premiership, Collingwood went from 17th to a point from a GF, while Carlton improved considerably, and were at one stage 8-2. After bursting out of the blocks, with their new gameplan.

Could it take a year to get used to the changes? Sure.

Could we get used to them quickly, just like the above 3 teams (and possibly others) did, just last season? Just as equally sure.

The way some talk about it you’d think it was 90/10 that it will take a year for a team to get used to significant changes. I reckon it’s 50/50 at worst.

And it’s a big advantage that we’re already a fit group. Because it means we can go pretty much straight into match-sim, and working on getting used to the gameplan.

A big chunk of our team being pretty experienced will also help.

A lot of the things that were alien to the team in 2006, forward pressure, defensive structures , are par for an AFL player now, they learn it in juniors.
Its a matter of how they apply it.

 

[puppy_dog7]

For all this talk about it being likely that it will take time for us to get used to a new game plan, here are a couple of things to consider.

Most if not all teams change their gameplan to some degree every offseason.

Last year, just off the top of my head, all of Geelong, Collingwood and Carlton made significant changes to their gameplan (the latter two with brand new coaching groups), and Geelong won the premiership, Collingwood went from 17th to a point from a GF, while Carlton improved considerably, and were at one stage 8-2. After bursting out of the blocks, with their new gameplan.

Could it take a year to get used to the changes? Sure.

Could we get used to them quickly, just like the above 3 teams (and possibly others) did, just last season? Just as equally sure.

The way some talk about it you’d think it was 90/10 that it will take a year for a team to get used to significant changes. I reckon it’s 50/50 at worst.

And it’s a big advantage that we’re already a fit group. Because it means we can go pretty much straight into match-sim, and working on getting used to the gameplan.

A big chunk of our team being pretty experienced will also help.

I agree. The boys train often enough and will have multiple intraclub games and practice matches to learn.
There also hasn’t been a huge turnover of the list the last 2 years. Majority of the team have now played a lot of football together. So realistically it should only take the first 6-8 rounds max to get “used” to the new gameplan. Ross will be disciplined enough to keep on them even when things might seem like they’re not working early.

Cats and Collingwood as an example last year took pretty much to the middle of the year to really hit their straps and start delivering on their gameplan.

 

[aussierulesrules]

I agree. The boys train often enough and will have multiple intraclub games and practice matches to learn.
There also hasn’t been a huge turnover of the list the last 2 years. Majority of the team have now played a lot of football together. So realistically it should only take the first 6-8 rounds max to get “used” to the new gameplan. Ross will be disciplined enough to keep on them even when things might seem like they’re not working early.

Cats and Collingwood as an example last year took pretty much to the middle of the year to really hit their straps and start delivering on their gameplan.

As I commented on at the time, I thought Collingwood looked like a serious football team against us in R1. And Jack Steele’s comments about that game also reflected how surprised he was at how well they went. Mostly because he thought they simply played as a team.

 

[CursingFijian]

Could someone design a St Kilda - Premers ‘23 tat for me please. Sooner I can get it inked the better.

Here’s a backup option.

 

[CursingFijian]

He's coming to reprogram years of mental fragility and bad habits out of them though. I don't think we should be aiming to miss finals but it shouldn't be the single marker. We need to make some investments toward a better future which might step us backwards early on.

If Stack and Stocker were equally fit, and we needed to pick someone up for list balance I’d pick bad boy stack everyday of the week.

 

[Jay Beast]

Understand the allure of Stack but every team knows his talent and has passed on him.
That should speak volumes.

Hope he pulls it together coz if he manages it someone will give him another shot.

 

[austinnn]

I would say Stack's latest brush with the law (this week) has closed the book on the possibility of him playing for us. I'd still be interested but realistically the club are probably going to pass if he can't help himself.

As I said at the time, the point is that he can't help himself and he needs to be reprogrammed, but I doubt the club can be bothered which is a real shame, for us and him.

 

[pebblesofsand]

He is a big unit, can tackle, not bad with a ground ball and is big on the one percenters.

I know it is a very very long time ago but in 78 we often played 3 big blokes: Jeff Sarau, Big Carl and Sidey and would often start two of them on the ball at the same time. The opposition used to s**t themselves with that set up.

Just saying it could be a point of difference.

Rumour has it that Mitch Owens has grown a bit and put on some more muscle this year. What was it that Steeley said last year - ah yes

While Owens is reluctant to talk up the “battles” he and Steele have had this pre-season, the latter was quick to commend his young counterpart.

“He was one of Ratts’ favourites from the get-go. The way he used his big frame and attacked the contest, it was just something that he loved and something I love to see as well from a first-year player coming in.

“I don’t really go near the ball when he’s playing, I’ll be honest,” Steele said.

“Already he’s quite a lot stronger than me, which is amazing for someone who hasn’t spent that long in the gym. He’s naturally strong and he’s got the instincts of a footballer which is so important.

 

[gringo2011]

We must be losing our touch.
At one time this would have read, "Brother of StKilda Player Eljay Connors "

Ex-Tiger Daniel Connors arrested, charged over violent car chase where ‘shots were fired’

Ex-Tiger arrested, charged over violent car chase where ‘shots were fired’

www.foxsports.com.au

He used to be the player that was always with Dusty leading him astray early on in his career. Even when he played he was a shady character. Push-up King was well connected in the underworld too. Richmond have done well to avoid a well deserved poor reputation.

 

[CaptainRisky]

He looked heavier, but the least lean of all players. I dont care how he looks, I just want him to be quicker on the spread. The last few years he has looked like he has concrete boots when chasing.

Well I'm pretty sure him being heavier is not going to make him faster

 

[gringo2011]

Yet they lost their two finals last year by 6 points and 1 point. A combined total of 7 points.

They were stiff to lose them both.

It’s what Collingwood did when they didn’t have the ball that impressed me. Regimented, disciplined and self sacrifice for the team.

And their fighting spirit. Never give up. Self belief to always come back and win.

That’s not skill or ability. That’s coaching and will power. No reason why we can’t emulate much of what they did, just need the luck in close matches.

Yeah, super well drilled and as you say disciplined. A lot of their players are older and they have brought in a huge amount of players from outside in the off season. They won't have new coach gloss and sides won't take them lightly next year. They will be a really interesting watch. I have them slipping but they were super impressive.

 

[gringo2011]

For all this talk about it being likely that it will take time for us to get used to a new game plan, here are a couple of things to consider.

Most if not all teams change their gameplan to some degree every offseason.

Last year, just off the top of my head, all of Geelong, Collingwood and Carlton made significant changes to their gameplan (the latter two with brand new coaching groups), and Geelong won the premiership, Collingwood went from 17th to a point from a GF, while Carlton improved considerably, and were at one stage 8-2. After bursting out of the blocks, with their new gameplan.

Could it take a year to get used to the changes? Sure.

Could we get used to them quickly, just like the above 3 teams (and possibly others) did, just last season? Just as equally sure.

The way some talk about it you’d think it was 90/10 that it will take a year for a team to get used to significant changes. I reckon it’s 50/50 at worst.

And it’s a big advantage that we’re already a fit group. Because it means we can go pretty much straight into match-sim, and working on getting used to the gameplan.

A big chunk of our team being pretty experienced will also help.

It's certainly not out of the question but I'm not going to freak out about missing finals if we have done the serious foundation work to set up a better chance at a flag. I see him as our Paul Roos, he's there to turn around a lot of poor practices and set up a footy department with industry standards. We are going from a bit of a vague plan to serious rigidity and military style discipline. It will put some players off, it will possibly cause some rebellion etc.


I'm looking at Lyon being the guy who builds the foundation for a flag, not necessarily wins one. I'm not saying it's unlikely or impossible but we had some really low standards that need to be addressed to get the most out of players before we even think about flags. It feels like we have been running on three cylinders for 10 years as a club. Lyon is going to need to rebuild the engine from the ground up and hope that there isn't too much damage to the block.

 

[PoppedCorn]

Where can I buy one of those blue training tops

Seems nowhere unless the shop at Moorabbin has them?
Gonna grab some stuff myself this week I think, shorts a tee and that big floppy hat

 

[Grav]

Just curious about the Sydney Stack latest charges, wondering when he was originally charged. Was it over the recent holiday break or was it from let’s say 6 months ago?
What is the backlog like for these offences in Victoria for high profile sportspeople ?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I would say Stack's latest brush with the law (this week) has closed the book on the possibility of him playing for us. I'd still be interested but realistically the club are probably going to pass if he can't help himself.

As I said at the time, the point is that he can't help himself and he needs to be reprogrammed, but I doubt the club can be bothered which is a real shame, for us and him.

Maybe North will draft him, i've heard their Coach has good methods for dealing with people who may have troubles in their life.

 

[saintmike65]

10 players might be a bit extreme. I can see 6 or 7.

6 or 7 is the norm for list changes!

 

[saintmike65]

Just reckon Pato will become a Ross favourite. Will be our more athletically/skilled version of Stevie Baker from 09-10 era.

He’s moving with a bit more freedom than he was last year.

 

[saintmike65]

Normally on Monday, Wednesday and Friday

Monday and Friday tend to be the main sessions.

 

[saintmike65]

I'd even look at giving Hayes a run as a ruck rover type in the middle on occasion even when Marshall is taking the bounce in the ruck.
Sounds crazy, yeah ?

I’m a huge Jack Hayes fan but that’s not his go..he’s a key forward that can pinch hit in the ruck..

 

[saintmike65]

yeah, both only 22 y.o too.

Think you’ll find young Eyre is best suited as a running defender..good pace and lovely foot skills!
A much younger Lienert replacement.

 

[sammm]

Think you’ll find young Eyre is best suited as a running defender..good pace and lovely foot skills!
A much younger Lienert replacement.

I liked Lienert.

I wonder whether we will pick Stocker or Eyre or neither and wait for mid term. assume we might pick 1 out of 2.