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**it happensfunny how we're s**t because we're s**t but when we're not s**t it's not really because we're not s**t but more because they were............s**t I mean.....
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**it happensfunny how we're s**t because we're s**t but when we're not s**t it's not really because we're not s**t but more because they were............s**t I mean.....
It was a good day! I’m not denying that. I don’t think it’s sustainable though. 50 points from stoppages is crazy. What happens the next time when we can’t score from that source? Then we’d have to rely on forward half turnovers and transition defence. We didn’t particularly defend that well in the second half. We can only hang our hat on a stat that isn’t really a great scoring source. I watched the game again and it’s almost never going to go that way again.Disagree strongly.
Even in Q1 it was evident we were taking the game on a lot more.....
TDK/Pitto negated Witts and our mids were well over due to put in a 'good one'....
GC simply couldn't get their hands on the pill enough (our boys have been there plenty in recent months)_and our tackling/general pressure was above AFL average....
We still won Q3 and Q4 and arguably should have won Q1 too.
Tackles were 69 to 51 (we more than doubles our tackle count from the previous week). So they weren't that bad!
Plus we found some efficiency I50 - and kicked straight!
Agreed, that's not sustainable.It was a good day! I’m not denying that. I don’t think it’s sustainable though. 50 points from stoppages is crazy. What happens the next time when we can’t score from that source? Then we’d have to rely on forward half turnovers and transition defence. We didn’t particularly defend that well in the second half. We can only hang our hat on a stat that isn’t really a great scoring source. I watched the game again and it’s almost never going to go that way again.
Carlton 22 need 7 wins = 28 50 points
Wins: Hawks, Freo, Eagles, Saints, Suns, Giants, Dees
Losses: Coll, Port
Adel: Wins 5=20 point 28point =48 points
Wins: North, Giants, suns, swans, eagles
Losses: Coll, Ess, Mel, Lions, Port
Ess: 5 = 20 point + 32 points = 52
Wins: Crows, swans, eagles, North, Giants
Losses Freo (A), port, Cats, dogs, pies
Richmond 4=16 points + 26 point = 42
Wins: Swans, eagles, Hawks, North
Losses: Lions, Dees, Dogs, Saints, Port
Geelong :5=24points +24 = 48
Wins: Mel, North, Ess, Freo, Dogs
Losses: Swans, Lions, Port, Coll, Saints
If this occurs then there is one spot left at 48 points+
**it happens
S*** takefunny how we're s**t because we're s**t but when we're not s**t it's not really because we're not s**t but more because they were............s**t I mean.....
So if Geelong beats Sydney or the Saints we are out of finals with 12 wins
Or if Adelaide beats * and * beats Dogs or Freo we are also out
Pretty sure we are going to need 13 wins to qualify…
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don't do mushrooms.........S*** take
I will say this though, our pressure was really good for about 80% of the match. The mobility of our 22 was the best it looked for ages.Agreed, that's not sustainable.
And we took a few bad options in Q3 particularly (got a bit cute).
But GC had been in good form, very good form really, bye notwithstanding.
Last year when they beat us, the big reason they did was because they played 1on1 at the stoppages and wrestled with us. Teams figured out this was something our midfield didn't like and other sides beat us this way as well.
We've been standing and wrestling at stoppages all season. After 1/4 time we decided we would avoid this and get our feet moving. Made all the difference having our inside players on the move around stoppages.
That and having the half backs running through from behind the contest.
Hawthorn in our next game, it's another big opportunity to build this running game we seem to be trying to create.
Agree... beat the lions with an impressive brand last week tooHawks were the first team to really work us out last year, throw in the bye and we're set for a bigger test than many fans would care to admit
I optimistically bemoan the pessimistic admiration.And I bemoan your pessimism
Your game style observations seem accurate, I'm not convinced that the coaches/club/players see it though.Last year when they beat us, the big reason they did was because they played 1on1 at the stoppages and wrestled with us. Teams figured out this was something our midfield didn't like and other sides beat us this way as well.
We've been standing and wrestling at stoppages all season. After 1/4 time we decided we would avoid this and get our feet moving. Made all the difference having our inside players on the move around stoppages.
That and having the half backs running through from behind the contest.
Hawthorn in our next game, it's another big opportunity to build this running game we seem to be trying to create.
We also went with more pace and tackling. Fisher never chases and tackles, never has. Silvagni is slow and not as strong in the air as TDK was. Hewett is slow. Motlop becomes slow quickly due to lack of tank. O'Brien doesn't tackle. Young is slow. Replaced them with guys who can run and will tackle. Also brought in two forwards who rotated into the middle and looked after our mids. It really was a much better team setup.Our setups were better and more like last year.
We had Cerra, Walsh, Kennedy, and Cripps on ball. We had Doc on a wing. We had Boyd, Newman and Cincotta as small defenders allowing Saad to be more offensive. We had Martin and Cuningham forward. Martin is just pure class and a big loss for most of the season, just as Williams has been.
All in all - better setup.
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Time will tell, we will have to see if we repeat it.Your game style observations seem accurate, I'm not convinced that the coaches/club/players see it though.
Frustrating thing is, if we as "casual" observers can see these things from a distance , what are those on the inside seeing?
The chasm between our business as usual approach this season and what we produced against the Gold Coast makes the Grand Canyon look like an irrigation ditch.
100%. Going into a pressure around the ball game style is what Clarkson did with them and last year Mitchell did to us. Teams realised that pressure around the ball, one on one and wrestle with us was the recipe to beating us. Has been for 20 years TBH.Hawks were the first team to really work us out last year, throw in the bye and we're set for a bigger test than many fans would care to admit
Damn good mushrooms themS*** take
Was a frustrating game that one. From memory they kept slingshotting out from their defence. They recognized and monopolized on our poor entries.Hawks were the first team to really work us out last year, throw in the bye and we're set for a bigger test than many fans would care to admit
Was a frustrating game that one. From memory they kept slingshotting out from their defence. They recognized and monopolized on our poor entries.
Realism -
the attitude or practice of accepting a situation as it is and being prepared to deal with it, ideally in a way showing some level of maturity and emotional growth......
correctSo it's immature of me to suggest Gold coast didn't turn up to play, applied zero pressure and that we more than likely will see the same old Carlton v Hawthorn? To suggest for others to maintain a little perspective? To show some level of emotion and frustration at our current predicament?
Well I guess I'm immature then!![]()
100%. Going into a pressure around the ball game style is what Clarkson did with them and last year Mitchell did to us. Teams realised that pressure around the ball, one on one and wrestle with us was the recipe to beating us. Has been for 20 years TBH.
Good sides have two modes, hunt the footy at stoppages, try get a lose outlet or play close and apply pressure as plan B, intercept from behind and take what clearances you can get. Collingwood have used that as their plan A and been very good at it. Suites the modern game with a fast footed team.
Hawks showed the rest of the comp with their massive comeback. Reckon they will try it again.
100%. Going into a pressure around the ball game style is what Clarkson did with them and last year Mitchell did to us. Teams realised that pressure around the ball, one on one and wrestle with us was the recipe to beating us. Has been for 20 years TBH.
Good sides have two modes, hunt the footy at stoppages, try get a lose outlet or play close and apply pressure as plan B, intercept from behind and take what clearances you can get. Collingwood have used that as their plan A and been very good at it. Suites the modern game with a fast footed team.
Hawks showed the rest of the comp with their massive comeback. Reckon they will try it again.