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[Aussie pie]

I’ve said from the start Nando doesn’t have the brains or temperament to be a top F1 driver, he’s a Pratt who wants things his way and sooks when he doesn’t get it. He not calm and calculating like all good F1 drivers are.

 

[Aussie pie]

What?

Webber showed himself to be consistently slower than Vettel, and was treated as the second driver accordingly. 2010 was his only real chance, and his bottled it in Korea.

Don’t let the facts get in the way of a good 2am rant. Come on man give me this one.

 

[happy_eagle]

I’ve said from the start Nando doesn’t have the brains or temperament to be a top F1 driver, he’s a Pratt who wants things his way and sooks when he doesn’t get it. He not calm and calculating like all good F1 drivers are.

Yep
I said earlier in this thread, but his win in Miami is very much the outlier.

Every other race he's been in a chance to win he has bottled it.

 

[Slysh]

I’ve said from the start Nando doesn’t have the brains or temperament to be a top F1 driver, he’s a Pratt who wants things his way and sooks when he doesn’t get it. He not calm and calculating like all good F1 drivers are.

He literally already is a top F1 driver, he is 24 years old and has been one of the best performed drivers over the past 2 years. Has been ultra consistent and been impressive for years now. He still has growing to do but this is a major over reaction.

 

[Slysh]

So happy for Lewis, breaking his win drought at home will be an iconic one for him. Held his nerve and performed throughout the race.

 

[Slysh]

 

[dazbroncos]

Watch Piastri get left out and his race screwed...

and you nailed here.
OP got ****ed fully by "strategy" and Brown's hard on for Lando... which actually cost Mclaren the win and prob a 1-2 finish as the time OP lost ( approx 22 secs) he made up and only finished about 10 secs behind Lewis.

Shameful.

 

[dazbroncos]

Oscar could have won this race with those fresh mediums for the final stint if they made the right call on the switch to inters.

FU Zak Brown.Your focus on Norris might have cost you the race win.

this is 1000X correct

Little Zacy's hardon for Lando cost Mclaren a race win and a possible 1-2.

 

[Jatz]

Well that was incredible. The British GP just continues to throw up entertaining races. Who needs another vanilla street circuit?!

Absolutely stoked for Lewis. 9 time British GP winner. Phenomenal effort/achievement. At his age, in a car that's clearly not the fastest - brilliant.

Think he's never been more popular in the paddock. Max looked genuinely happy for him. Was great to see.

 

[Jatz]

That's now 6 different race winners in 12 grand prix's. Can probably only see Oscar winning but 7 drivers winning a race in a season would be fantastic.

Much, much better season.

Max will win because he's just the most consistent. But it's refreshing to see the rest genuinely fighting each other.

 

[PREETY_FLY]

and you nailed here.
OP got ****ed fully by "strategy" and Brown's hard on for Lando... which actually cost Mclaren the win and prob a 1-2 finish as the time OP lost ( approx 22 secs) he made up and only finished about 10 secs behind Lewis.

Shameful.

OP is def the better driver of the 2 IMO. Regardless of what they say he's playing number 2.

 

[Forward Press]

Oscar's time will come (hopefully). Yeah, McLaren botched this one but you can see the reason for the call to avoid double-stacking even if most of us at home knew otherwise, and he will be confident of future success. This McLaren is seriously quick but hope they can give him a contender for wins and WDCs...



This is what F1 is about, really.

 

[imadodgyumpire]

They say all good things come to an end, and Hamilton's win drought has done so. I was hoping for 3 full years without a win before going to Ferrari, but the second year was a surprise after the first.

 

[Neale4brownlow]

Can probably excuse McLaren for bottling the first pit stop and not double stacking.
They rolled the dice Piastri could get around again and not lose time. Didnt pan out.

But the chatter to norris on the second stop was just so odd. All in his in lap!?
Hey lando so we can go with softs to cover off hamilton or mediums to cover off max what would you like?

Ugh... how about the millions of dollars worth of crew do something and form an opinion? The commentary team get paid a fraction of a the money and were able to tell viewers the medium was the clear best tyre even before Piastri picked it.

How on earth are they putting these scenarios to Lando when he doesn't have all the information. Just pick the bloody best tyre who cares about who's on what?

They were playing checkers with themselves and lost all day. Lots of lessons to be had but it feels like they need to keep relearning them.

 

[Slysh]

this is 1000X correct

Little Zacy's hardon for Lando cost Mclaren a race win and a possible 1-2.

It was a shit call but it didn't have anything to do with a hard on for Lando... He was in front so whether they double stack or not it was never going to hurt Lando. They got it massively wrong and it did cost Oscar but it was just a bad call, nothing to do with favouritism.

 

[Forward Press]

It was a shit call but it didn't have anything to do with a hard on for Lando... He was in front so whether they double stack or not it was never going to hurt Lando. They got it massively wrong and it did cost Oscar but it was just a bad call, nothing to do with favouritism.

"Never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence".

 

[Forward Press]

I understand this is an Australian site with Australian posters, but would rather not go down the anti-Australian and pro-British/Red Bull/anything not Australian conspiracy rabbit hole.

"British commentator gets overly excitable about British legendary driver winning at British track" - what a flog!
"Non-Australian team duds over Australian driver" - we should get Twiggy to buy an F1 team to overcome this plot by BigF1!
"Australian driver (x2) would have won WDC if not for Red Bull malice! (x 2)" - come on...

 

[Festerz]

Interesting interview with Carlos Sainz and Oscar Piastri post race...(and not from Sky)



Oscar, always the cool headed diplomat, says he was OK with the decision to leave him out for an extra lap and not double stack BUT he also makes the relevant point (subtly) that the decision making in the lap prior to that was where the error was made that cost him and his team the win.

The big point of course was the short half second gap between Norris and Piastri when Norris was called in to pit made double stacking an unacceptable risk and that would have been costly time-wise. Getting Oscar to pull back an extend the gap between them in that incoming lap would have been the smart move and make double stacking possible (as Mercedes showed).

Heck, even Croft was calling for this at the time in the commentary. And when the glaring error in your team's race strategy is called out in real time by Crofty of all people I think it's fair to say the team made a major tactical error.

 

[Festerz]

I understand this is an Australian site with Australian posters, but would rather not go down the anti-Australian and pro-British/Red Bull/anything not Australian conspiracy rabbit hole.

Fair points.

But also important to understand that the bulk of those comments you're referencing were made by posters watching the race in real time in the early hours of the morning and caught up in the emotion of unfolding events.

F1, like footy, is a sport where emotions run high. Check out the game day threads of any of the club boards and you'll see the same sort of comments about game plans and commentary that look way OTT (with various 'conspiracy rabbit holes' ) in hindsight. It's the nature of the beast.

As in all things, context matters.

 

[Forward Press]

Fair points.

But also important to understand that the bulk of those comments you're referencing were made by posters watching the race in real time in the early hours of the morning and caught up in the emotion of unfolding events.

F1, like footy, is a sport where emotions run high. Check out the game day threads of any of the club boards and you'll see the same sort of comments about game plans and commentary that look way OTT (with various 'conspiracy rabbit holes' ) in hindsight. It's the nature of the beast.

As in all things, context matters.

Yeah I know, just that in the cold light of day we still have some thinking it's part of a giant McLaren conspiracy to gift Norris wins and podiums at the expense of Oscar.

Newsflash - it's not.

 

[FR0GGY]

Wonder who had the ultimate call to go softs over mediums

We only got to hear one message between McLaren and Norris asking if he wanted to cover Lewis or Verstappen and didn’t hear the answer, the commentators mentioned about back and forwards between them discussing it.
Compare that to Piastri who was clear and concise with what he wanted.

 

[Vader]

Yeah I know, just that in the cold light of day we still have some thinking it's part of a giant McLaren conspiracy to gift Norris wins and podiums at the expense of Oscar.

Newsflash - it's not.

I don't think there's any anti-Oscar conspiracy theory. However, it's plain as day that Norris gets preferential treatment, both in terms of car upgrades and on-track strategies.

... but what happened last night was just Zac Brown ****ing up due to incompetence, not due to malice.

 

[NSWCROW]

What?

Webber showed himself to be consistently slower than Vettel, and was treated as the second driver accordingly. 2010 was his only real chance, and his bottled it in Korea.

Where's the lie in the bolded ?

 

[NSWCROW]

Cue the " Baked Bean gun "

**** mclaren
**** sky

 

[happy_eagle]

Where's the lie in the bolded ?

The suggestion that Webber would have won a world title if it weren't for Vettel getting preferential treatment is simply not true.

The only year he came close was 2010, and he lost that title because he crashed in Korea. In fact the one example of blatant Vettel favouritism that year (the front wing swap in Silverstone) resulted in Webber beating Vettel in that race anyway.

In every other year he was that far behind Vettel that favouritism was not the determining factor in the world championship fight.