Racing 2024 G1 Melbourne Cup (3200m)

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POST CAULFIELD CUP RANKINGS

Likely going to see a lot of movement after the Geelong Cup and MV Cup in the bottom half but for now

1. BUCKAROO - Had severe doubts on him running out the 2400m last week but the way he ran out that Caulfield Cup I have a lot less doubt on him at Flemington. The absolute quality in the field with strong WFA form and a turn of foot. He doesn't even need to super strong over 2 miles to be winning this, just handle it well enough. Take DDS out of that CC and he wins by 5 with huge margins in behind and cops a big penalty so pretty well weighted with that in mind.

2. ABSURDE - Pushing him above JB with the latter's odds coming in a bit and Sayedaty Sedaty not really franking that Euro 3yo form. Happy to bank on a firmish track at this point which will suit him most of the Euros and we are still getting a reasonable price about him.

3. JAN BRUEGHEL - Slips down simply because his odds are getting in too short and the form around SS didn't look that strong on Saturday.

4. VAUBAN - Simply through a ton of failures with the locals he has continued to ladder up. Still not a huge fan of the horse and if its a firm track on the day ill be leaving him out of pretty much everything.

5. WARP SPEED - Dreadful in the CC but to be fair it is exactly what I was expecting on a wet track. A firm track and 3200m will be completely different but would want to be getting a decent price about him on the day to make up for getting beat 16L leading in.

6. LAND LEGEND - Couldn't possibly have him beating Buckaroo after the CC but still ran 3rd after getting worked up pre race so has to slot in around here.

7. FRANCESCO GUARDI - Ticking along reasonably well behind WFA horses running on ok over unsuitable trips. Has raced three times beyond 2000m in this country for two huge runs and the flop that was too bad to be true in the CC last year so can see him improving well at his next run and coming into First 4 contention. Needs to pass the ballot still but would want to be doing that if he is any chance anyway.

8. SAINT GEORGE - Likely gone based on last run but if he was to bounce back in the MV Cup he is at least one who has the ability to win at his best which a lot of these don't.

9. KINESIOLOGY - Hard to see him getting a run at this point but if Birdman is favourite in a Geelong Cup and a 30-40s chance then this guy is a watch bringing in better form.

10. OKITA SOUSHI - Simply a tail end of First 4s option but has finally found some sort of form in this country and will run out the 2 miles and if he could run 11th in the race last year I could easily see him picking up a spot or 2 this year.
 

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Optimistic Dog said:
Could sugar lips Waller have a throw at the stumps with Viva Sistina. Meets Buckaroo 2.5 kgs worst for a narrow win in the Turnbull. Buckaroo had the better prep for 3,200 metres both are by Fastnet Rock not noted as a staying sire but both stoutly bred on the dam side with both being from a Galileo dam.

You would think not but VS has recently firmed from 26/1 to 21/1 and taking a line through Buckaroo would have to be a chance even allowing for the distance query.


I would give her less than 2% chance of lining up in the race. Wouldn't make much sense as a gun 2000m horse with the Champion Stakes sitting there if needed post Cox Plate. Plus Waller already has Buckaroo going to the Cup so no need to test both his star middle distance horses. She also doesn't even look like a 2 miler so would be very strange.

Verry Elleegant was already an Oaks, Tancred and CC winner over 2400m before she even contested and lost her first MC

Nah would be next to no chance. The Champions Stakes is sitting there post Cox Plate and Waller already has one of his class WFA horses having a crack

She firmed because people backed her after she dumped the jockey at the Valley and the connections were saying she wouldnt go to the Cox Plate
Optimistic Dog said:
Could sugar lips Waller have a throw at the stumps with Viva Sistina. Meets Buckaroo 2.5 kgs worst for a narrow win in the Turnbull. Buckaroo had the better prep for 3,200 metres both are by Fastnet Rock not noted as a staying sire but both stoutly bred on the dam side with both being from a Galileo dam.

You would think not but VS has recently firmed from 26/1 to 21/1 and taking a line through Buckaroo would have to be a chance even allowing for the distance query.


Very happy I took the 21/1 in the cup and 84/1 with a multi with Orchestral in the Empire Roae $5,200 result for $100 outlay. The win in the Cox Plate was like Dulcify hope there is not the same tragic result. I think Waller as I said early always had the Cup as a possibility. How well weighted does she look now with 56 if the handicaps were done this week she has 58 or 58.5.

She wins if she runs the trip and I thnk she will.
 
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Suddenly Jan Brueghel is getting out to a price, we haven't seen him have a run. Although those formlines aren't standing very tall at the moment, at least not here.
 
I wouldn't take the current odds about Via Sistina to even run in the race never mind win it

Yes, you did say there was a less than 2% chance run so that is 50/1. I am very happy with the 21/1 got last week. I cannot see Waller and Yulong turning up the chance to run on a good track with 56 it is luxury weight after 2 group 1 wins the last her best ever performance. When she beat just beat Buckaroo it was a slow track she is lengths better on a good track so not worried about the weight turnaround, she settles well so has every chance to run the distance
 
The last place I would send a horse that just won a Cox Plate by 6. Champions Stakes then QE next year and back for another CP. Would be silly to risk cooking the best horse in the country
This is absolutely spot on, it has Australian middle distance racing at it’s feet now.

If it goes to the cup there’s every chance it’s never the same horse or even races again (see Incentivise, Without A Fight, Gold Trip etc.)
 

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