USA 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Biden II

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On Insiders this morning Mark Kenny trying to exert some considered contextual discussion of why Biden is still the preferred candidate in the US election but why and how a change in Democratic candidate should occur. Sadly, and typically, Speers keeps cutting him off mid point in the hunt for simplistic click bait one-liners which Sam Maiden is of course always willing to provide.



 
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Royces Hart said:
Do you have any footage of her laughing about that?
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Apologies my recollection conflated things, it was her laughing in response to questions on if she'd ever used Marijuana, which is obviously incredibly poor taste when you've locked away thousands of young black men for the same crime.
 
Festerz said:
On Insiders this morning Mark Kenny trying to exert some considered contextual discussion of why Biden is still the preferred candidate in the US election. Sadly, and typically, Speers keeps cutting him off mid point in the hunt for simplistic click bait one-liners which Sam Maiden is of course always willing to provide.



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Hahaha, so the presidential pre-requisites in your and Marc Kenny's mind is that your a "good person" by whatever subjective metric you're judging that off of (ignoring that Biden is a person who is creepy around women and children, has dodgy business dealings with his son while Vice President and has presided over the single greatest transfer of wealth from the American middle and lower class in history - yeah a real "good person").
 

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FlowersByIrene said:
I consider policies such as universal basic income and broad expansions to the welfare state to be communist. It may be a slight exaggeration for dramatic effect, but not as much as an exaggeration as, for example, the left calling people fascist. Bernie after all honeymooned to the Soviet Union and publicly supported Castro, so even if he restrains his policy position in public, I still believe he is a communist at heart.
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Do you consider Australia to be "communist at heart"?
 
FlowersByIrene said:
Hahaha, so the presidential pre-requisites in your and Marc Kenny's mind is that your a "good person" by whatever subjective metric you're judging that off of (ignoring that Biden is a person who is creepy around women and children, has dodgy business dealings with his son while Vice President and has presided over the single greatest transfer of wealth from the American middle and lower class in history - yeah a real "good person").
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No.

That's your embarrassingly simplistic narrative that you cut and pasted in response to my post without any attempt to understand what was being said by Kenny.

He was saying nothing like what you have posted here. And it is not my position either.

Understanding context is just not your thing is it? But deliberate misrepresentation clearly is. Be better if you want to be taken seriously.
 
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Captivating said:
It's the reason Biden didn't face charges over having classified docs in his possession.

Special Counsel Robert Hur said in a report that he opted against bringing criminal charges following a 15-month investigation because Biden cooperated and would be difficult to convict, describing him as a "well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory."
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Not quite

www.factcheck.org

Republicans Distort Facts on Special Counsel Decision Not to Charge Biden - FactCheck.org

At their weekly news conference, several Republican House leaders wrongly claimed the special counsel report into Joe Biden's handling of classified documents found the president was mentally unfit to stand trial. The report said no such thing.
www.factcheck.org www.factcheck.org

Special Counsel Robert Hur’s report ultimately concluded “the evidence is not sufficient to convict” Biden and that “no criminal charges are warranted.”

The report did refer numerous times to what it characterized as Biden’s “limited” and “poor” memory. Those observations were included, Hur wrote, because they factored into his decision about whether he could convince a jury that Biden had acted “willfully” to break the law.
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Which makes perfect sense when assessing the facts of Trump's and Biden's classified docs cases and their different handling ie. Biden gave them back as soon as they were discovered while Trump blocked, delayed and obfuscated at every turn, even going so far as to attest in writing that he didn't have any more in his possession before the government had to raid him to get their shit back.

Pretty clear and verifiable differences in intent there I'd say.
 
FlowersByIrene said:
Apologies my recollection conflated things, it was her laughing in response to questions on if she'd ever used Marijuana, which is obviously incredibly poor taste when you've locked away thousands of young black men for the same crime.
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Cool, so you’re full of shit.

Glad we established that.
 
Trump Should Never Have Had This Platform

The debate was a travesty—because its whole premise was to treat a failed coup leader as a legitimate candidate for the presidency.

by David Frum The Atlantic

The first question about January 6 was asked at minute 41.

Donald Trump replied with a barrage of crazy lies, ending by seeming to blame Nancy Pelosi’s documentarian daughter.

Then, just to be fair, CNN moderator Jake Tapper followed up with a question to President Joe Biden. Did he really mean to imply that Trump’s voters were a danger to democracy?

Biden fumbled the answer, as he fumbled so many other answers. The octogenarian president delivered a fiasco of a performance on the Atlanta debate stage. But the fiasco was not his alone.

Everything about the event was designed to blur the choice before Americans. Both candidates—the serving president and the convicted felon—were addressed as “President.” The questions treated an attempted coup d’état as one issue out of many. The candidates were left to police or fail to police the truth of each other’s statements; it was nobody else’s business.

It may be no coincidence that the modern television presidential debate was born at a time of national political consensus. In 1960, John F. Kennedy and Richard Nixon presented a choice very familiar to viewers in the days of three big channels and a limited number of mass-market products: You could choose Crest or Colgate, two very similar products to meet a similar need. One might be a little mintier, the other a little spicier, but both did the job. Now we live in a very different world, a world in which the choice is much more existential—and yet we retain the Crest-versus-Colgate format.

How could it be otherwise? We live in a political culture in which some of us think the supreme issue of our time was an attempted violent overthrow of the Constitution, while other Americans think it was Hunter Biden’s laptop. There are means and institutions to arbitrate those differences. That’s what elections do. But television debates cannot do it, because television debates don’t happen unless they get buy-in from both sides. Therefore, television debates are designed necessarily to ratify the concept of “both sides.”

Ferocious controversy will probably now erupt over Biden’s leadership of the Democratic Party. We’ll hear all kinds of plans to swap him out somehow. Maybe those plans will be workable, but probably not. Through the uproar, it will be important to keep in mind that this election is not about Biden. It’s about you and your commitments and your values. Biden is just the instrument. Like any instrument, he’s imperfect. But better an imperfect instrument than a would-be autocrat who demands a cult of personality.

A century ago, the socialist leader (and presidential candidate) Eugene V. Debs rebuked followers who idolized him: “I would not lead you into the promised land if I could, because if I led you in, someone else would lead you out. You must use your heads as well as your hands, and get yourself out of your present condition.”

Against the threat of Trump, Americans must save themselves. The job of doing so cannot be delegated to some charismatic savior—and anyway, that charismatic savior has yet to present himself or herself. Television always wants to reduce active human beings to passive viewers.

The presidential-debate format has especially served this purpose: “Do I prefer the candidate in the red tie or the blue one?”

This most recent debate has taught the danger of spectatorship. The job of saving democracy from Trump will be done not by an old man on a gaudy stage, but by those who care that their democracy be saved. Biden’s evident frailties have aggravated that job and made it more difficult, but they have also clarified whose job it is.

Not his. Yours.
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bourbons said:
Not quite

www.factcheck.org

Republicans Distort Facts on Special Counsel Decision Not to Charge Biden - FactCheck.org

At their weekly news conference, several Republican House leaders wrongly claimed the special counsel report into Joe Biden's handling of classified documents found the president was mentally unfit to stand trial. The report said no such thing.
www.factcheck.org www.factcheck.org


Which makes perfect sense when assessing the facts of Trump's and Biden's classified docs cases and their different handling ie. Biden gave them back as soon as they were discovered while Trump blocked, delayed and obfuscated at every turn, even going so far as to attest in writing that he didn't have any more in his possession before the government had to raid him to get their shit back.

Pretty clear and verifiable differences in intent there I'd say.
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This is not a Biden v Trump argument. Not sure why you feel the need to defend Biden with a whataboutism.

This is about Biden's mental and physical acuity. Sadly Dr Jill is telling Joe what a great job he's doing in answering all of the questions instead of sitting him down and telling him to step aside.

Right now, the election is no longer a focus on Trump, but on how Joe presents himself over the next four months. The media are trying to protect him with garbage claims of cheap fakes. But everyone witnessed a declining President consistent with the behaviours over the past few months that were claimed as cheap fakes.
 
burge13 said:
Fair, I misused the word in that instance.

Would you prefer a pathological liar or someone who knows right from wrong but keeps lying to your face? I'd argue pathological is less evil but that won't go with the anti Trump rhetoric shown...
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either or. let's settle on compulsive liar.
 

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Australia leans "too far communist"?


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Ghost Patrol said:
No, it's just a regular election.
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its not a regular election by virtue of the fact that It's two previous Presidents against each other, which hasn't happened 150 years. but if its a referendum on Biden, then it is a referendum on Trump too.
Biden failed the debate incomprehensibly, but at the end of the day, will Americans prefer an old dude who leads a functional well working government administration which achieved historic legislation in the past few years, or a convicted felon and sexual predator who is only a few years younger but whom literally can't mouth a single truth, and whose administration was an absolute dysfunctional shitshow which achieved literally nothing? (except of course enriching the demon Trump spawn..)
 
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