List Mgmt. 2025 Draft/Trade/FA Thread

[Bluelegs]

Hunter. Didn't he have a year to run on his contract?

Dogs weren't trying to get trade capital out of hunter.

Hogan might be the only example I can think of but even then we were anticipating him wanting to leave anyway.

Point is I can't see Freo pushing out guys like Serong or Treacy to get these deals over the line.

Could also seeing us holding onto Pickett if we're not happy with their offer.

 

[PerfectFooty]

I don't feel like these days stars are traded directly for stars. It's usually good player for some picks, or picks and a fringe player

Or at least not in a direct swap anyway, if they do it's more likely to be done adding in other clubs to the mix

 

[Demon Attack]

Houston was booted so they could get Lukoscious

 

[Crusty Demon]

I don't feel like these days stars are traded directly for stars. It's usually good player for some picks, or picks and a fringe player

Or at least not in a direct swap anyway, if they do it's more likely to be done adding in other clubs to the mix

This is why the Warner/Koz talk is yet another example of how s* the modern media is. It's all over media outlets, but how exactly can Freo possibly pull it off without a star player leaving? Maybe a Brayshaw is happy to leave, but i doubt it when the club is on the cusp. They simply don't have the picks to get both over the line. I dare say Koz will stay or maybe WCE throw their hat in the ring if he really wants to head back over there desperately. I'll be shocked if Freo end up nabbing both players. It's like the whole talk of Trac to Pies. Was never going to happen but it was all over media for weeks. Footy media is at an all time low.

 

[Crusty Demon]

Houston was booted so they could get Lukoscious

lol. Would be an all time s* move by a club if that was the case. Would be funny though

 

[stEdy]

Houston was booted so they could get Lukoscious

Rory Atkins*

 

[Mich0]

Examples? Not talking about good players wanting to leave and clubs being forced to trade them. Can't think of many examples of teams pushing out guns just for trade currency.

Just look at Richmond last year, Bolton, Baker, Rioli

Pretty sure if they really wanted to keep them they would have. They basically opened the front door for them.

Then you got Bulldogs with Daniels and Macrae. Sydney with Parker.

Hell, the year before we basically ****ed off Harmes as well.

 

[Topkent]

Just look at Richmond last year, Bolton, Baker, Rioli

Pretty sure if they really wanted to keep them they would have. They basically opened the front door for them.

Then you got Bulldogs with Daniels and Macrae. Sydney with Parker.

Hell, the year before we basically ****ed off Harmes as well.

Nope, nope and ah nope. That's a re writing of history at best and a blatant lie at worst

 

[Bluelegs]

Just look at Richmond last year, Bolton, Baker, Rioli

Pretty sure if they really wanted to keep them they would have. They basically opened the front door for them.

Then you got Bulldogs with Daniels and Macrae. Sydney with Parker.

Hell, the year before we basically ****ed off Harmes as well.

None of these examples are of teams pushing out players with significant value to trade others in.

Richmond are the most relevant example but they were hoarding draft picks for a rebuild so it's a bit different. Do you see Freo trading out one of their better players to get these deals done? Who do you think they would trade out?

 

[Mich0]

None of these examples are of teams pushing out players with significant value to trade others in.

Richmond are the most relevant example but they were hoarding draft picks for a rebuild so it's a bit different. Do you see Freo trading out one of their better players to get these deals done? Who do you think they would trade out?

If you don’t think playing blokes in the 2s all season and putting in no attempt to keep them is not pushing them out then we are on different wave lengths here.

They’re respective clubs were obviously all more interested in the trade compo than they were the players.

Even Essendon tried to flog Sheils off but couldn’t due to lack of interest.

I got asked for example and I gave it in Richmond, not sure how it’s considered “different” because of there reasoning.

Freo didn’t do it this off season, but that’s one club of 18, not sure why you are cherry picking one club here, I didn’t say all 18 clubs do it every year so yes, there will be some clubs who don’t push out players every year, Freo one of those.

 

[Topkent]

If you don’t think playing blokes in the 2s all season and putting in no attempt to keep them is not pushing them out then we are on different wave lengths here.

They’re respective clubs were obviously all more interested in the trade compo than they were the players.

Even Essendon tried to flog Sheils off but couldn’t due to lack of interest.

I got asked for example and I gave it in Richmond, not sure how it’s considered “different” because of there reasoning.

Freo didn’t do it this off season, but that’s one club of 18, not sure why you are cherry picking one club here, I didn’t say all 18 clubs do it every year so yes, there will be some clubs who don’t push out players every year, Freo one of those.

You're literally saying every player a club doesn't want anymore was purely because they wanted them for trade capital and not just because they didn't want them anymore

 

[Bluelegs]

If you don’t think playing blokes in the 2s all season and putting in no attempt to keep them is not pushing them out then we are on different wave lengths here.

They’re respective clubs were obviously all more interested in the trade compo than they were the players.

Even Essendon tried to flog Sheils off but couldn’t due to lack of interest.

I got asked for example and I gave it in Richmond, not sure how it’s considered “different” because of there reasoning.

Freo didn’t do it this off season, but that’s one club of 18, not sure why you are cherry picking one club here, I didn’t say all 18 clubs do it every year so yes, there will be some clubs who don’t push out players every year, Freo one of those.

Playing blokes in the twos is not pushing guys out for value to get trades done. In doing so you are tanking their value they are being pushed out because the club wants to get rid of them for their own sake. I think you are misunderstanding my point.

You are solely focused on the part about pushing guys out but I was clearly and specifically asking about doing so for the purpose of getting other trades done. If you don't want to follow that thread then what are we even discussing?

I'm asking about Freo because they are the specific club that are being discussed re a trade for Pickett.

 

[Topkent]

10-7 bluelegs round.

 

[Mich0]

Playing blokes in the twos is not pushing guys out for value to get trades done. In doing so you are tanking their value they are being pushed out because the club wants to get rid of them for their own sake. I think you are misunderstanding my point.

You are solely focused on the part about pushing guys out but I was clearly and specifically asking about doing so for the purpose of getting other trades done. If you don't want to follow that thread then what are we even discussing?

I'm asking about Freo because they are the specific club that are being discussed re a trade for Pickett.

How would you know any of this without knowing the conversations that are going on behind closed doors?

Answer: You don’t

Only takes a “We think you should test the market” conversation to set these things in motion. So how can you categorically say this didn’t happen with any of the players I mentioned?

Answer: You can’t

 

[Mich0]

10-7 bluelegs round.

 

[Bluelegs]

How would you know any of this without knowing the conversations that are going on behind closed doors?

Answer: You don’t

Only takes a “We think you should test the market” conversation to set these things in motion. So how can you categorically say this didn’t happen with any of the players I mentioned?

Answer: You can’t

I'm really not sure what point you are trying to make here.

My position is simply that I think it's highly unlikely Freo will push out one of their better players to get Warner and Kozzy across. I think it's more likely that they will offer what picks they have and if it's not enough they will just deal with missing out.

Anything they offer from trading out players will either be steak knives from fringe guys leaving or a currently unknown key player actively seeking an exit.

 

[Mich0]

I'm really not sure what point you are trying to make here.

My position is simply that I think it's highly unlikely Freo will push out one of their better players to get Warner and Kozzy across. I think it's more likely that they will offer what picks they have and if it's not enough they will just deal with missing out.

Anything they offer from trading out players will either be steak knives from fringe guys leaving or a currently unknown key player actively seeking an exit.

You asked for examples so I gave some. Then you went down a path of trying to debate me on it unnecessarily.

While they may not push one of the better players out, if they have a few they don’t view as best 22 long term, who is are on solid coin they no doubt may suggest they look around.

Especially if they are in the Fyfe, Walters, Switta, Brodie mould.

We have seen plenty of times before clubs find ways to get multiple deals done when they really want/need to so I’m not sure why it would be any different with Freo.

 

[Bluelegs]

You asked for examples so I gave some. Then you went down a path of trying to debate me on it unnecessarily.

While they may not push one of the better players out, if they have a few they don’t view as best 22 long term, who is are on solid coin they no doubt may suggest they look around.

Especially if they are in the Fyfe, Walters, Switta, Brodie mould.

This was my initial question btw so it sounds like we agree.

How often has a team pushed out a good player to get currency for trades?

 

[Mich0]

This was my initial question btw so it sounds like we agree.

As I said, it happens every year, and there’s every possibility it happens again this year. Parker, Daniel, Bolton and McRae are all good players in my eyes. Other than maybe Bolton no one will have predicted any would be pushed out last off-season in Jan 2023, so there’s every chance same happens at Freo.

Hogan and Meek go alright and we’re both pushed out. Yes they both had respective reasons for it but nobody probably predicted it in Jan of that respective year. Any player could go off the absolute rails by October and be suggested to “look around”.

 

[Topkent]

As I said, it happens every year, and there’s every possibility it happens again this year. Parker, Daniel, Bolton and McRae are all good players in my eyes. Other than maybe Bolton no one will have predicted any would be pushed out last off-season in Jan 2023, so there’s every chance same happens at Freo.

Hogan and Meek go alright and we’re both pushed out. Yes they both had respective reasons for it but nobody probably predicted it in Jan of that respective year. Any player could go off the absolute rails by October and be suggested to “look around”.

What picks did Parker, Daniel and Mcrae go for then?
Bolton wanted to leave so don't include him.

Because all of those 3 combined wouldn't have half of the trade value of Pickett or Warner