1: Richmonds backline is bare, will get more kick outs this year.
2: Ball will be down there ALOT!
3: Hard to find value in defense, hes one that has 10+ points upside.
4: Had an injury affected game.
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2: Ball will be down there ALOT!
3: Hard to find value in defense, hes one that has 10+ points upside.
4: Had an injury affected game.
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Most of the defenders seem overpriced plus the fact Rioli has left means lots of possies to be taken up somewhere. I have him in my team begrudgingly because I’m finding it hard to find others with any resemblance of value back there. My biggest worry is Richmond as a whole. I think there’ll be plenty of games where their fantasy scoring as a team is going to be absolutely shocking. Probably best to own a defender from them than anywhere else on the ground though
Reading your boards views on the 22, a lot seem to have him out of the side.
Would have thought he’d be an automatic selection but is there a chance he isn’t in the 22 and a large shift to all younger players?
Yeah ive been giving it a think, forwards and mids have the most value we've seen in years.
Defense is the worst its been for awhile apart from some of the bye players.
So why not just pay up there with all the left over cash we'll have.
Makes perfect and logical sense to me.
what do you think of vlastuin?
tigs2010
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He's definitely best 22. Frustrating player though. Didn't really put his body on the line this season.
Think his role just changes too much from week to week and not really much of a run and carry player which is what I think we need to replace from Rioli.
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These are all good points, but most on the Richmond board would have you believe he's borderline best 22...
Guess it's one to monitor over preseason because it's definitely difficult finding value in defence this year.
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Is Goater in your best 22?
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Not from the start. By all accounts he's recovered about as well as possible from an achilles rupture, but he's got work to do in the cardio department. I expect he'll break into the side between rounds 5-10.
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Most on the Richmond board will tell you they've picked up 6 HOF's in the first round of the draft this year. Doesn't work like that, they'll need Short and his ilk to show them the ropes for some time yet.
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Those Richmond supporters are muppets then.
Short is best 22 by a mile. Best 10 I would say lol. Especially with Balta out.
Short's main job last year was to receive the ball, whether in congestion or the second short kick and then bomb it down the line as far as he could. It was the most frustrating thing to watch, particularly when we had no tall marking options or players that could even halve a contest further up field, the end result being the loss of possession and the ball being driven forward by oppos with our defence too high and out of position.
There's been a definite change during training and match sims to maintain possession when exiting defence and in transition. There's been an emphasis on link up plays and finding players by foot as well as working the ball through the corridor. Whether that works or not is yet to be seen, as it could lead to turnovers in the worst part of the ground, nonetheless there's been a shift. What will help will be having decent marking targets higher up the ground where players like Bauer are having a real impact.
All of Brown, Banks, Trezise, Smith and Ralphsmith have been training down back with Kaleb Smith being the one earmarked for Rioli's role.
Koschitzke has also been training with the backs all preseason and from all reports is doing well, he's absolutely useless as a forward so maybe he can impact in defence? Blight looks to be the one to take over while Balta and Gibcus are sidelined, Trainor is also putting his hand up. We probably have the most experience in the team in defence with Vlastuin, Broad, Miller shouldering the load with Short and Balta.
In short, Short's role will be forming part of that transitional play, but not an integral part. I'd be more inclined to have a punt on Kaleb Smith as the rookie rather than risking a 'Premo' spot with Short.
There's been a definite change during training and match sims to maintain possession when exiting defence and in transition. There's been an emphasis on link up plays and finding players by foot as well as working the ball through the corridor. Whether that works or not is yet to be seen, as it could lead to turnovers in the worst part of the ground, nonetheless there's been a shift. What will help will be having decent marking targets higher up the ground where players like Bauer are having a real impact.
All of Brown, Banks, Trezise, Smith and Ralphsmith have been training down back with Kaleb Smith being the one earmarked for Rioli's role.
Koschitzke has also been training with the backs all preseason and from all reports is doing well, he's absolutely useless as a forward so maybe he can impact in defence? Blight looks to be the one to take over while Balta and Gibcus are sidelined, Trainor is also putting his hand up. We probably have the most experience in the team in defence with Vlastuin, Broad, Miller shouldering the load with Short and Balta.
In short, Short's role will be forming part of that transitional play, but not an integral part. I'd be more inclined to have a punt on Kaleb Smith as the rookie rather than risking a 'Premo' spot with Short.
Nice post.
Kaleb Smith was one i short-listed very early when the game opened but didn't hear anything about him or see him in any best 22s so i moved on, maybe I need to reconsider
Like everything, those preseason games will tell us more.
tigs2010
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Kaleb is my D8. His to lose (or technically Yze's going to lose it for him if he doesn't pick him)
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Coleman was the glue that held my team happily together. Hate it without him
He and Phillipou will be excellent downgrade targets, or cheap upgrade targets, probably around rounds 4-5
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Yeah but totally torching my team for time being.
If Sanders wasn't a Bevo player you could sideways that one easily.
Coleman is harder as he was so cheap on a line that is notoriously bad for rookie scores
Yeah, reckon Sanders would be a good placeholder at least until Pou is back, but Bevo
It's why I'll have a go with Lynch, can loop him in each of the early byes, he could well have a couple of spike scores and generate some cash, probably offset with a corresponding shit score but worth a punt if he's fit.Coleman was my D6 and I'd expect him to front up for round 4/5 given the bye in round 3. Best 18 scores over 3 of those rounds mitigates his loss and he would have missed round 3 anyway. Should be an excellent upgrade and who knows, the rookie at D6 might make enough cash in that time to make that move a very simple one.
Also, downgrading Coleman gives me enough funds to look at Allan and Lynch, downgrading Pou gave me enough to get Flanders over that Geelong bloke.
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He's my D6 out of desperation at the moment (could well be El Hawli or Leake yet), but I have three $1m plus boys as D1,2,3, so you have do what you have to do. 4tune8 has confirmed what I'd had said to me about our back transition work (and Smith's development), but it is a WIP.
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Sort of marries up with how the Dees transitioned during their Premiership year and this being a copycat sort of game, mimicks what the Lions did last year. Different cattle of course.
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Great post
You say they are holding onto the ball and being more precise in defence. Does this not bode well for Short?
Honestly I don’t want a bar of Short but he’s owned by 30% so it’s getting to the point where he becomes a little harder to fade. Looking for any reason to shunt him
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Yeah, this. Warrants a close watch either way.
I think those 30% are simply looking at the fact that Rioli has departed and Short seems to be the logical replacement. But that is over simplifying the situation.
As I said, he'll be involved in transitional plays but won't be an integral part. How that plays out for Fantasy scoring is yet to be seen. I don't rate his field kicking, yes, he has a fair hoof but can be prone to missing shorter targets. I don't think he's anywhere near the class of Rioli who thrived on that linking sort of play.
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If they're going to be giving up 40 shots on goal each week, say that's 20 kickins and Short takes 70% he's on 51 before even needing to find the pill in general play!
His reference point should be Ziebell imo. The young players are going to look for him and he's smart enough to get to the spots where they'll be able to get him the ball. Even if it's under duress and he's hoofing it a high % of the time.
Edit to add - there's a stack of options around that price point, so I'm not too fussed starting him given his high ownership, can always even punt him down to SDK or Kiddy after a few weeks and pocket the cash to spend elsewhere.
