List Mgmt. 2025 Trade/FA Thread

[TradeDraft]

Cal said LDU is expected to stay at north.

was expecting that all along

 

[soreplums]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/moneyball-all-the-latest-afl-trade-and-contract-news/news-story/c64ea31148d3f7eb1321425065027245

Essendon have an A Grade talent?

 

[Jen2310]

Essendon have an A Grade talent?

Merrett would qualify. Kako and Caddy has potential to end up as A grade.

 

[soreplums]

Merrett would qualify. Kako and Caddy has potential to end up as A grade.

They aren’t trading any of them

 

[Jen2310]

They aren’t trading any of them

No, they wouldn't.

 

[brysie]

Why would free agents come to us if we’re trading out senior players? None of that makes sense.
We either trade out players and go to the draft or we trade some players in and bring in free agents to replace our ageing players. What you’re suggesting here is a net zero gain in terms of list building.
Frankly, I’m of the opinion that if we can bring in a free agent like Richards, pick up McGuane in the draft and trade in JUH for not much, then we’re a long way to building up a new looking list anyway. Especially if Allan takes the next step during this year. It doesn’t take a whole lot to turn things around and focusing solely on the draft just doesn’t seem the right way to do it anymore.

Free agency occurs before trading, so I'm not sure why players wouldn't come to us. In future maybe, but I think that's a subjective argument and could possibly be offset by a players returning home narrative.

I think a haul akin to TDK, LDU, McGuane and 2 or 3 high draft picks for the loss of Hill and potentially Cameron would be preferable to McGuane, Richards and JUH. I don't see the attraction in Richards and JUH's potential risk isn't worth the draft picks we'd need to give up.

I also wouldn't consider that a net negative.

I'd still pursue TDK and LDU, however to me it feels like Bobby's value is near its peak as is Cameron's, as there seems to be a willing buyer in West Coast who have assets.

 

[manicpie]

Free agency occurs before trading, so I'm not sure why players wouldn't come to us. In future maybe, but I think that's a subjective argument and could possibly be offset by a players returning home narrative.

I think a haul akin to TDK, LDU, McGuane and 2 or 3 high draft picks for the loss of Hill and potentially Cameron would be preferable to McGuane, Richards and JUH. I don't see the attraction in Richards and JUH's potential risk isn't worth the draft picks we'd need to give up.

I also wouldn't consider that a net negative.

I'd still pursue TDK and LDU, however to me it feels like Bobby's value is near its peak as is Cameron's, as there seems to be a willing buyer in West Coast who have assets.

I have a feeling both LDU and TDK will stay at their clubs. Carlton will glady bend over to TDK's demands and LDU is norf through and through, especially with the calibre of youngsters they have coming through

 

[brysie]

I have a feeling both LDU and TDK will stay at their clubs. Carlton will glady bend over to TDK's demands and LDU is norf through and through, especially with the calibre of youngsters they have coming through

That's probably true, but it shouldn't stop us from pursuing them, particularly if it increases the amounts which they may demand and ultimately sign for.

 

[manicpie]

That's probably true, but it shouldn't stop us from pursuing them, particularly if it increases the amounts which they may demand and ultimately sign for.

Absolutely, you have to be in it to win it

 

[Jen2310]

Not sure we would be interested in TDK, another ruck. Especially one with a high price tag. Now his brother is another question.

 

[brysie]

Not sure we would be interested in TDK, another ruck. Especially one with a high price tag. Now his brother is another question.

I think he's the perfect Mason Cox replacement. An athletic ruck who is capable of playing purely as a ruck or as a tall forward, hence why he's attracting a large amount of interest

His brother would also be very handy and go some way to alleviating the burden placed on Moore.

 

[Jen2310]

I think he's the perfect Mason Cox replacement. An athletic ruck who is capable of playing purely as a ruck or as a tall forward, hence why he's attracting a large amount of interest

His brother would also be very handy and go some way to alleviating the burden placed on Moore.

Yeah, but I cant see us paying 800k-1M for him. I think those days are gone. Only st kilda is that crazy.

 

[sr36]

Free agency occurs before trading, so I'm not sure why players wouldn't come to us. In future maybe, but I think that's a subjective argument and could possibly be offset by a players returning home narrative.

I think a haul akin to TDK, LDU, McGuane and 2 or 3 high draft picks for the loss of Hill and potentially Cameron would be preferable to McGuane, Richards and JUH. I don't see the attraction in Richards and JUH's potential risk isn't worth the draft picks we'd need to give up.

I also wouldn't consider that a net negative.

I'd still pursue TDK and LDU, however to me it feels like Bobby's value is near its peak as is Cameron's, as there seems to be a willing buyer in West Coast who have assets.

Losing Cameron and replacing him with with TDK would be awful. An extra 800,000 a year for a lesser ruckman...just a crazy wish.

 

[Apex36]

Free agency occurs before trading, so I'm not sure why players wouldn't come to us. In future maybe, but I think that's a subjective argument and could possibly be offset by a players returning home narrative.

Oh come on, it starts a couple of days earlier and runs through the first week of the trade period. By that time 90% of trade intentions are known, especially if a club has put players on the table. That stuff gets leaked weeks in advance. If you’re being pursued by a club and then suddenly you see them trading out senior players, that’s an immediate red flag for rebuild. High end senior players aren’t going to come to a club in that position, only ones who can’t get a game at their current club.

I think a haul akin to TDK, LDU, McGuane and 2 or 3 high draft picks for the loss of Hill and potentially Cameron would be preferable to McGuane, Richards and JUH. I don't see the attraction in Richards and JUH's potential risk isn't worth the draft picks we'd need to give up.

So you’d prefer to bust the cap on a ruckman and lose the dynamic X factor small forward we were screaming out for, for years than retain senior players while recruiting to stay in contention?
That aside, thinking we could bring in the two most in demand free agents of the year who would take up at least $3m in cap space is fantasy stuff. Try to be realistic.

I also wouldn't consider that a net negative.

I'd still pursue TDK and LDU, however to me it feels like Bobby's value is near its peak as is Cameron's, as there seems to be a willing buyer in West Coast who have assets.

Robbing Peter to pay Paul. Especially with Bobby, he’s still only 25.

 

[manicpie]

Not sure we would be interested in TDK, another ruck. Especially one with a high price tag. Now his brother is another question.

I think the Grundy one still burns but I'm with you on his brother

 

[brysie]

Oh come on, it starts a couple of days earlier and runs through the first week of the trade period. By that time 90% of trade intentions are known, especially if a club has put players on the table. That stuff gets leaked weeks in advance. If you’re being pursued by a club and then suddenly you see them trading out senior players, that’s an immediate red flag for rebuild. High end senior players aren’t going to come to a club in that position, only ones who can’t get a game at their current club.

So you’d prefer to bust the cap on a ruckman and lose the dynamic X factor small forward we were screaming out for, for years than retain senior players while recruiting to stay in contention?
That aside, thinking we could bring in the two most in demand free agents of the year who would take up at least $3m in cap space is fantasy stuff. Try to be realistic.

Robbing Peter to pay Paul. Especially with Bobby, he’s still only 25.

Again, it's a subjective opinion you hold regarding a club's trade intentions. There might be speculation sure, but it's not a fait accompli, nor is it certain that everyone simply knows whether a club is putting players on the table or if they're returning home of their own volition.

I don't know the intricate details of the cap situation (nor do you), however we have a significant number of players who are retiring over the next few years. It would surprise me if paying $3m to two players would 'bust the cap', particularly given the flexibility I assume we now have in the cap following the 2020 cleanout and the impending retirement of a number of senior players across the next 1 to 3 years.

In Hill's case the calculation for me is between the value of the picks he may be available for currently measured against his current and projected output. This then should be weighed against our ability to replace his position as well as fill holes in other areas of the list.

In my opinion Bobby's output was very sporadic last season and his game on Sunday was poor; yes, he may win us the occasional game off his own boot, but there are plenty of other times where he goes missing for long periods. His current contract situation concerns me as I also wouldn't want to be allocating significant amounts of cap space to a small forward.

All food for thought, but I feel as though our midfield is severely diminished and we'll need to start rebuilding it sooner rather than later. Ed Allan and Ed Richards are unlikely to be the ultimate solution, and Jordy's reliability seems to be becoming an issue, therefore it feels to me as though we need to start getting creative sooner rather than later. If that means trading a first team player or two, so be it in my opinion.

 

[brysie]

Losing Cameron and replacing him with with TDK would be awful. An extra 800,000 a year for a lesser ruckman...just a crazy wish.

I wouldn't consider TDK lesser. He provides flexibility forward and is more than capable in the ruck.

His backend to last season was impressive, he's 25 years old and it wouldn't be a straight swap between Cameron and TDK if you were replacing Cameron. You'd likely get a good pick from West Coast for Cameron, so it would be TDK + a good pick.

 

[satanshoof101]

Again, it's a subjective opinion you hold regarding a club's trade intentions. There might be speculation sure, but it's not a fait accompli, nor is it certain that everyone simply knows whether a club is putting players on the table or if they're returning home of their own volition.

I don't know the intricate details of the cap situation (nor do you), however we have a significant number of players who are retiring over the next few years. It would surprise me if paying $3m to two players would 'bust the cap', particularly given the flexibility I assume we now have in the cap following the 2020 cleanout and the impending retirement of a number of senior players across the next 1 to 3 years.

In Hill's case the calculation for me is between the value of the picks he may be available for currently measured against his current and projected output. This then should be weighed against our ability to replace his position as well as fill holes in other areas of the list.

In my opinion Bobby's output was very sporadic last season and his game on Sunday was poor; yes, he may win us the occasional game off his own boot, but there are plenty of other times where he goes missing for long periods. His current contract situation concerns me as I also wouldn't want to be allocating significant amounts of cap space to a small forward.

All food for thought, but I feel as though our midfield is severely diminished and we'll need to start rebuilding it sooner rather than later. Ed Allan and Ed Richards are unlikely to be the ultimate solution, and Jordy's reliability seems to be becoming an issue, therefore it feels to me as though we need to start getting creative sooner rather than later. If that means trading a first team player or two, so be it in my opinion.

I tend to agree that TDK won't necessarily bust the cap especially with player payments going up with 1 million dollar contracts being the new 800k. Cameron was set for a pay rise regardless if it was with us same with Bobby.

I will say Ed Richards is criminally underrated and would take him in a heartbeat, and although JUH has his problems he is 22 and maybe he will mature.

I know this wouldn't happen but can we give back Schultz instead of Hill? (although I do agree that Hill's value is probably higher atm)

FYI the pick we traded for Schulz was pick 14 in last years draft. Jonty Faull (pick 14), Bo Allan (pick 16), Murphy Reid (pick 17), Luke Trainor (pick 21).

 

[manicpie]

I tend to agree that TDK won't necessarily bust the cap especially with player payments going up with 1 million dollar contracts being the new 800k. Cameron was set for a pay rise regardless if it was with us same with Bobby.

I will say Ed Richards is criminally underrated and would take him in a heartbeat, and although JUH has his problems he is 22 and maybe he will mature.

I know this wouldn't happen but can we give back Schultz instead of Hill? (although I do agree that Hill's value is probably higher atm)

FYI the pick we traded for Schulz was pick 14 in last years draft. Jonty Faull (pick 14), Bo Allan (pick 16), Murphy Reid (pick 17), Luke Trainor (pick 21).

I like your post but non of those 4 guys has proven anything yet. Statistically, 2 won't make it. There's also the wait factor, can you wait for our pick 14 to develop?. Would our pick 14 graduated to the whipping boy thread in his first year?. Don't stress over shoota, he's fine.

 

[SchuPie]

FYI the pick we traded for Schulz was pick 14 in last years draft. Jonty Faull (pick 14), Bo Allan (pick 16), Murphy Reid (pick 17), Luke Trainor (pick 21).

IMO if we still had the pick we'd have done one of the below

• We'd have traded it before dealing with Port (Ala Cats)
• Included it in the Houston trade and got a pick in the 20s back
• Included it in the Houston trade and avoided using our 2025 first (thus saving it for trading / drafting this year)

I'd suggest there's very little possibility it would have survived to exist as a pick for us.

The mistake wasn't getting Schultz, it was using F1 (or walking away if compelled to do so)

 

[ThePhantom777]

Hill and Cameron for Reid. DONE

 

[manicpie]

Hill and Cameron for Reid. DONE

I'd like to keep both players tbh but that's what would be required to get Harley. I'd also like to see how Harley goes this year because when he went head to head with Nick, he was made to look ordinary. Very hot and cold also

 

[TW Sherrin]

Hill and Cameron for Reid. DONE

reckon it will cost more than that.

 

[cfc19902010]

Go and get LDU pies

 

[satanshoof101]

I like your post but non of those 4 guys has proven anything yet. Statistically, 2 won't make it. There's also the wait factor, can you wait for our pick 14 to develop?. Would our pick 14 graduated to the whipping boy thread in his first year?. Don't stress over shoota, he's fine.

I agree that all those players are unproven although Bo Allan looks likely and Luke Trainor did well against us in the preseason game. I also accept we may not have taken that pick to the draft.

But does that philosophy imply that we have gone in for the now? The only reason I ask is because it seems like we have gone all in and only somewhat kept an eye on the future but, the gap between our oldest and youngest is only going to continue to grow in reference to the wait factor. This isn't necessarily about this year but the last couple of years with players such as Jack Bytel, Josh Eyre and to some extent Lachie Sullivan and Ned Long.

You can obviously say we need to moneyball or be smart in the next couple of years but isn't every club trying to do that?
Unless we get an LDU or a Ed Richards or bargain off the rails JUH we might have our hands tied if one if one of our key players goes down.