List Mgmt. 2025 Trade/FA Thread

[jmac70]

Go and get LDU pies

What would you be prepared to give up?

 

[manicpie]

I agree that all those players are unproven although Bo Allan looks likely and Luke Trainor did well against us in the preseason game. I also accept we may not have taken that pick to the draft.

But does that philosophy imply that we have gone in for the now? The only reason I ask is because it seems like we have gone all in and only somewhat kept an eye on the future but, the gap between our oldest and youngest is only going to continue to grow in reference to the wait factor. This isn't necessarily about this year but the last couple of years with players such as Jack Bytel, Josh Eyre and to some extent Lachie Sullivan and Ned Long.

You can obviously say we need to moneyball or be smart in the next couple of years but isn't every club trying to do that?
Unless we get an LDU or a Ed Richards or bargain off the rails JUH we might have our hands tied if one if one of our key players goes down.

We are going to have to get creative, that's for sure. I reckon we thought that shoota might be able to play the link up forward but unfortunately, he's best suited close to goal like he was at freo. I reckon they thought he could chop out in the midfield. I understand your concerns, don't get me wrong. I just think that he's playing out of his comfort zone, which means we aren't seeing what we expected. His link up work is actually very good, just has to make better decisions and cut back on some of his howlers.

 

[jmac70]

Was anyone talking about getting Houston, Perryman and Membrey this time last year?

 

[SchuPie]

What would you be prepared to give up?

Money

 

[jmac70]

Money

I’m assuming some sort of trade might be required as well.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

I’m assuming some sort of trade might be required as well.

Maybe but he is RFA

 

[Jen2310]

Maybe but he is RFA

He is, but north can match if they want and demand 3 1st round picks.
But seems he is leaning to staying atm. Unless north fall in a heap and dont look like improving

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

He is, but north can match if they want and demand 3 1st round picks.
But seems he is leaning to staying atm. Unless north fall in a heap and dont look like improving

Yeah sure they can match, but we don't have 3 1sts and it might be our best offer might be a single future 1st (2026) because we may not be allowed to trade out our 2027 1st and we have already traded this year's 2025 1st. Matching us may not be the smart play.

 

[Jen2310]

Yeah sure they can match, but we don't have 3 1sts and it might be our best offer might be a single future 1st (2026) because we may not be allowed to trade out our 2027 1st and we have already traded this year's 2025 1st. Matching us may not be the smart play.

At this point, we can't even trade a 2026 first. But if tommy ends up being a first rounder, I think it should restore the balance

 

[satanshoof101]

We are going to have to get creative, that's for sure. I reckon we thought that shoota might be able to play the link up forward but unfortunately, he's best suited close to goal like he was at freo. I reckon they thought he could chop out in the midfield. I understand your concerns, don't get me wrong. I just think that he's playing out of his comfort zone, which means we aren't seeing what we expected. His link up work is actually very good, just has to make better decisions and cut back on some of his howlers.

I agree he was a gun at freo and had an underrated 2024 but I think we should have walked away instead of coughing up a 1st and 2nd.

Ginnivan was traded for a swap of 2023 2nds and swap future 2nds which ended up giving them a better pick.

Houston is a gun and we need him if we do have to develop our youth but if you look at a future 1st, pick 36, Joe Richards, John Noble. I understand the latter wanted to leave.

All together it is a lot plus misses in previous drafts.

We have tried to get back in to premiership contention and maybe we win it all this year and I hope we do and I eat my words but young talent is a major priority for us.

Edit: Genuinely asking what we do if we don't attract SDK, LDU, Ed Richards, Rowell?

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

At this point, we can't even trade a 2026 first.

Might be right there. The rule is 2 1sts need to be taken in the last 4 years. We took 2022 and
2023 but we haven't got a 1st for 2024 and 2025 which means that we may not be able to trade out our 2026 because that is 3 years with no 1st unless Tommy is taken in the 1st round in 2025. But even that won't be known until after the 2025 trade period.
Hypothetically if LDU insisted on leaving and nominated Collingwood under RFA I wouldn't be matching if I was North.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Genuinely asking what we do if we don't attract SDK, LDU, Ed Richards, Rowell?

Generally something unexpected comes our way.
McStay and Hill were fairly expected. But Perryman and Houston was not.

 

[SchuPie]

I’m assuming some sort of trade might be required as well.

Isnt he UFA?

Edit: if RFA, then nothing

 

[manicpie]

I agree he was a gun at freo and had an underrated 2024 but I think we should have walked away instead of coughing up a 1st and 2nd.

Ginnivan was traded for a swap of 2023 2nds and swap future 2nds which ended up giving them a better pick.

Houston is a gun and we need him if we do have to develop our youth but if you look at a future 1st, pick 36, Joe Richards, John Noble. I understand the latter wanted to leave.

All together it is a lot plus misses in previous drafts.

We have tried to get back in to premiership contention and maybe we win it all this year and I hope we do and I eat my words but young talent is a major priority for us.

Edit: Genuinely asking what we do if we don't attract SDK, LDU, Ed Richards, Rowell?

None of us expected Houston and Perryman. I'm pinning my hopes on getting a couple of quality players this year. Don't worry, your concerns are also my concerns

 

[satanshoof101]

None of us expected Houston and Perryman. I'm pinning my hopes on getting a couple of quality players this year. Don't worry, your concerns are also my concerns

It was good doing business with you sir.

 

[manicpie]

It was good doing business with you sir.

Likewise mate.

 

[cfc19902010]

What would you be prepared to give up?

Isn’t he RFA?

He’d be a great get with our weakness of inside mids

 

[jmac70]

Isn’t he RFA?

He’d be a great get with our weakness of inside mids

Jen said that if North match an offer then a trade must be done.
What’s he worth?

 

[SchuPie]

Jen said that if North match an offer then a trade must be done.
What’s he worth?

Nothing we can afford
Walk away (but we don't have a great record of this)

 

[cfc19902010]

Jen said that if North match an offer then a trade must be done.
What’s he worth?

More than long and Sullivan

Probably worth what Houston was

 

[Apex36]

Hill and Cameron for Reid. DONE

Reid is a jet, but fk he’s got to be the most ridiculously overhyped player in history.

 

[soreplums]

Again, it's a subjective opinion you hold regarding a club's trade intentions. There might be speculation sure, but it's not a fait accompli, nor is it certain that everyone simply knows whether a club is putting players on the table or if they're returning home of their own volition.

I don't know the intricate details of the cap situation (nor do you), however we have a significant number of players who are retiring over the next few years. It would surprise me if paying $3m to two players would 'bust the cap', particularly given the flexibility I assume we now have in the cap following the 2020 cleanout and the impending retirement of a number of senior players across the next 1 to 3 years.

In Hill's case the calculation for me is between the value of the picks he may be available for currently measured against his current and projected output. This then should be weighed against our ability to replace his position as well as fill holes in other areas of the list.

In my opinion Bobby's output was very sporadic last season and his game on Sunday was poor; yes, he may win us the occasional game off his own boot, but there are plenty of other times where he goes missing for long periods. His current contract situation concerns me as I also wouldn't want to be allocating significant amounts of cap space to a small forward.

All food for thought, but I feel as though our midfield is severely diminished and we'll need to start rebuilding it sooner rather than later. Ed Allan and Ed Richards are unlikely to be the ultimate solution, and Jordy's reliability seems to be becoming an issue, therefore it feels to me as though we need to start getting creative sooner rather than later. If that means trading a first team player or two, so be it in my opinion.

Jordy for Rowell

 

[Apex36]

He is, but north can match if they want and demand 3 1st round picks.
But seems he is leaning to staying atm. Unless north fall in a heap and dont look like improving

They can demand all they want but what they get for an uncontracted player is another story.

Fact is that if LDU wants to walk to a contender and Norf are still basement dwellers they’ll be better off taking the compo than two picks that could end up in the 20’s.

 

[brysie]

Jordy for Rowell

Can't see Gold Coast doing that.

 

[soreplums]

Can't see Gold Coast doing that.

Pendles might go with him.
Could be the match winner and onfield coach they need to climb the ladder