Retired #21: Dyson Heppell - Goodnight, sweet prince. What a legend! 🤙 - 24/8

[RedmanWasHere]

Can almost hear Sheeds whispering in the background..."At least he looks like a footballer now"

As opposed to:

Early career Harvs.
2001 Solomon.
Anderson, early career Grenvold and O'Brien.
Van Der Haar.

 

[ant555]

To be fair selwood was one of the blokes who was driving standards early in his first year in 2007. And was even calling out older team mates for poor efforts early in the season when they weren’t going so well, they then turned into a dynasty. Selwood arriving was one of the key reasons for this.

I think the whole club meeting at the end of 2006 drove it. A few senior players called out Ablett and a few others. Selwood was certainly a factor from very early on but I would not say he was a key reason. The key reason was everyone from the top down being honest with themselves.

 

[DERO]

Geelong were using Leading teams weren’t they? Serious question.

 

[andleanback]

I think the whole club meeting at the end of 2006 drove it. A few senior players called out Ablett and a few others. Selwood was certainly a factor from very early on but I would not say he was a key reason. The key reason was everyone from the top down being honest with themselves.

And they still didn’t start the season well. They lost to north down in geelong. They drew a line in the sand that was the turning point. Plenty of geelong players from 07 have talked of the impact selwood had when he walked in the door, a player that drove standards straight away and really made a few players get their heads out of their asses to move the club forward. Being a key reason I was referring to also how they’ve gone on to be a continuous successful side during his whole career not a flash in the pan team that wins a flag and falls away.

 

[boncer34]

And they still didn’t start the season well. They lost to north down in geelong. They drew a line in the sand that was the turning point. Plenty of geelong players from 07 have talked of the impact selwood had when he walked in the door, a player that drove standards straight away and really made a few players get their heads out of their asses to move the club forward. Being a key reason I was referring to also how they’ve gone on to be a continuous successful side during his whole career not a flash in the pan team that wins a flag and falls away.

North weren't crap

 

[NAB777]

And they still didn’t start the season well. They lost to north down in geelong. They drew a line in the sand that was the turning point. Plenty of geelong players from 07 have talked of the impact selwood had when he walked in the door, a player that drove standards straight away and really made a few players get their heads out of their asses to move the club forward. Being a key reason I was referring to also how they’ve gone on to be a continuous successful side during his whole career not a flash in the pan team that wins a flag and falls away.

Yep. Have spoken to a few people down that way about this.
Some of the things he was doing in Geelong's losing performances at the start of 07 made the 'older' guys have a look at themselves.

 

[boncer34]

Joel Selwood at 18 is not the Joel Selwood at 34. He was a dumb kid too once.

Especially in 2007.

 

[yodellinhank]

Geelong were using Leading teams weren’t they? Serious question.

Leading Teams came in 2008 I think cat fans have said. Was a thing by '09 I reckon because a club I was at did it to two blokes, saying the whole group would be done over the course of the year and then that was the last we heard about it.

 

[andleanback]

North weren't crap

Your point?
They thought they were a much better side these them, they hardly ever lose down there and north rarely won. They did beat them by 106 in a final later that year.

the chat after the north match was also about how they were 2-3 and were watching another season slide away, line in the sand and they only lost 1 match for the remainder of season.

 

[boncer34]

Your point?
They thought they were a much better side these them, they hardly ever lose down there and north rarely won. They did beat them by 106 in a final later that year..

My point is that Geelong losing to the 4th placed team early in the season wasn't a sign they started poorly.

They hardly ever lose there now. Prior to their run of dominance it was a different story. For example in 2006 they went 4-3-1.

Also Norfs record down there before that game over the past 6 efforts was 3-3. Not quite a rare win if you're making it 4 of the last 7.

 

[andleanback]

My point is that Geelong losing to the 4th placed team early in the season wasn't a sign they started poorly.

They hardly ever lose there now. Prior to their run of dominance it was a different story. For example in 2006 they went 4-3-1.

Also Norfs record down there before that game over the past 6 efforts was 3-3. Not quite a rare win if you're making it 4 of the last 7.

They were 2-3 and after they lost to north. That’s the point…
They would also expected themselves to beat north down there.

They were underperforming for the talent they had on their list and selwood was one that called out players to be better.

 

[DERO]

They were 2-3 and after they lost to north. That’s the point…
They would also expected themselves to beat north down there.

They were underperforming for the talent they had on their list and selwood was one that called out players to be better.

Selwood, who was 5 games into his first year?

Carn mate.

 

[boncer34]

They were 2-3 and after they lost to north. That’s the point…
They would also expected themselves to beat north down there.

They were underperforming for the talent they had on their list and selwood was one that called out players to be better.

And I'm saying it's borderline average. They lost to one of the better teams of that season at a ground they had mixed results at against them in recent time.

Joel was doing that in 2007? ok.

Hey Lore this should probably go in non-essendon thread.

 

[jmoo wan]

Hey Lore this should probably go in non-essendon thread.

or delusional pearlers?

 

[andleanback]

Selwood, who was 5 games into his first year?

Carn mate.

Yeh… viney was calling out senior players after his 3rd game
Some players are built different

 

[andleanback]

And I'm saying it's borderline average. They lost to one of the better teams of that season at a ground they had mixed results at against them in recent time.

Joel was doing that in 2007? ok.

Hey Lore this should probably go in non-essendon thread.

It’s on record from many of the geelong boys saying it.

If any top rated side has 2 wins after 5 rounds it’s alarm bells. You’re not giving yourself much room for the rest of the season for any hiccups if you want to make top 4.

 

[boncer34]

It’s on record from many of the geelong boys saying it.

If any top rated side has 2 wins after 5 rounds it’s alarm bells. You’re not giving yourself much room for the rest of the season for any hiccups if you want to make top 4.

Cool. No playing group ever rewrites history with rose coloured glasses so that settles that.

 

[Vander18]

I know where you are coming from. He was more a nice good bloke captain and in the last few years he has lacked the game to have an on field impact.
He was not at Selwood level but in fairness as a few have said in the posts above he has not had a support cast to work with. Selwood was an exceptional captain and was able to continue driving the standards but he came into a system that already had a shake up and had some very hard line leaders in it.
I think even Selwood would have had his issues with our playing group.

Yeah I don’t think anyone would have cut through the organisational issues we’ve had.

I just suspect Hep would have been an average captain even in much better circumstances.

 

[jmoo wan]

so let me summarise:

Heppel was a shit captain but our team was so shit that no one could have effectively captained this shirt truck of a team, except for a 19 year old Joel Selwood?

 

[DERO]

so let me summarise:

Heppel was a s**t captain but our team was so s**t that no one could have effectively captained this shirt truck of a team, except for a 19 year old Joel Selwood?

That's pretty much it!

 

[yodellinhank]

They were 2-3 and after they lost to north. That’s the point…
They would also expected themselves to beat north down there.

They were underperforming for the talent they had on their list and selwood was one that called out players to be better.

And told Hawkins to ease up on the scones. He went on to do alright. Jay Neagle not so much.

so let me summarise:

Heppel was a s**t captain but our team was so s**t that no one could have effectively captained this shirt truck of a team, except for a 19 year old Joel Selwood?

We needed someone needed to pull Neagle into line.

 

[blitzer]

And told Hawkins to ease up on the scones. He went on to do alright. Jay Neagle not so much.

We needed someone needed to pull Neagle into line.

Slight difference in talent between Hawkins and Neagle. Hawkins would have legitimately gone pick #1 in his draft if he hadn't been locked up as father son. He dominated the U18 carnival basically marking at will and it was only his wayward goal kicking that kept him from kicking massive bags each game. So there was a lot to work with there. Hell as a 1st year KP he was legit strong even at AFL level which is nearly unheard of.

Neagle had some talent but certainly he didn't have the point of difference that a Hawkins brought to the table.

Also good leaders can help a player sometimes get the best out of themselves but more often than not it comes down to the individual's desire to get better.

 

[fairbump_playon]

Slight difference in talent between Hawkins and Neagle. Hawkins would have legitimately gone pick #1 in his draft if he hadn't been locked up as father son. He dominated the U18 carnival basically marking at will and it was only his wayward goal kicking that kept him from kicking massive bags each game. So there was a lot to work with there. Hell as a 1st year KP he was legit strong even at AFL level which is nearly unheard of.

Neagle had some talent but certainly he didn't have the point of difference that a Hawkins brought to the table.

Also good leaders can help a player sometimes get the best out of themselves but more often than not it comes down to the individual's desire to get better.

It’s a good parallel.

The cats’ leadership got the best out of Tom Hawkins

We didn’t get the best out of Jay Neagle.

It’s always so hard to tell over the last 15 years where the talent stops and the leadership starts falling over.

 

[NAB777]

Joel Selwood at 18 is not the Joel Selwood at 34. He was a dumb kid too once.

Especially in 2007.

The Geelong hierarchy made a highlights package of that dumb kid's 4th game to show to his team mates at training.

 

[boncer34]

The Geelong hierarchy made a highlights package of that dumb kid's 4th game to show to his team mates at training.

Cool. Not the first or last time ever a side showed a young blokes highlights to give them a spark.

Also that was post round 5 yeah? Since he got dropped in round 3 and round 4.

 

[fairbump_playon]

Cool. Not the first or last time ever a side showed a young blokes highlights to give them a spark.

Im sure at some stage we made a highlights package of Kyle Reimers riding a skateboard, only wearing fluro undies and a sun visor