Traded #22: Jake Carlisle - Pt.1 - Traded with some other stuff for pick 5, 24 and a Bird (cont in Part 2)

[Fear Boner]

Freeman to Saints is a bloody road block for us.

Why ....

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

We should give the Saints the middle finger after getting pick 5 lol. A minnow club trying to bully and low ball a club like Essendon.

edit - Damm post got deleted.

 

[DapperDon]

We should give the Saints the middle finger after getting pick 5 lol. A minnow club trying to bully and low ball a club like Essendon.

edit - Damm post got deleted.

A club like Essendon that hasn't won a final for 12 years.

Let's stop heaping shit on those we think a lower than us get before our own shit in order.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

A club like Essendon that hasn't won a final for 12 years.

Let's stop heaping shit on those we think a lower than us get before our own shit in order.

All is fair in love and war.

 

[MAAAATTDAAAAMON]

This is the way I see it.
It is all negotiation tactics.
Carlisle had his heart set on going to St Kilda. He worked with coach Richardson at Essendon. He knows people at St Kilda. St Kilda has Calisle in their pocket and this gives them a stronger hand than Essendon. After all players usually go to the club they want to go to.
St Kilda take ages to make an offer to Essendon, deciding that if they leave it late in the process they can get a better deal from Essendon. St Kilda believe they are contolling the whole negotiation.

Then Hawthorn makes a move out of left field. This weakens St Kilda's position and strengthens Essendon's position.

Carlisle is told by his Manager and people at St Kilda that if he sticks to his guns and says he only wants to go to St Kilda he will end up there. This is a tactic to re-strengthen St Kilda's position in the negotiation.

Essendon says that Hawthorn is the only team that has tabled an offer for Carlisle. This forces St Kilda to make their offer earlier than they'd like. It is nowhere near what Essendon wants but St Kilda still think they have the whip hand. Carlisle is even coached to say that he'd rather go into the PSD to get to St Kilda. This is all negotiating tactics by St Kilda to force the hand of Essendon.

Essendon is furious and keeps saying they want a deal like Hawthorn has offered. They probably don't believe the PSD threat. They know that St Kilda can make a better offer. Essendon has to call St Kilda's bluff about going to the PSD. Essendon would love Carlton or Brisbane to come out and say they would take Carlisle if he went into the PSD. Will that happen? Probably not.
It is now back in St Kilda's court. Essendon is waiting for St Kilda to come back with a better offer. St Kilda will revert to it's tactics of leaving their next offer to as late as possible in the draft week.

Carlise must be worried. He's probably thinking "do these guys know what their doing?". I just have to trust my manager and Richardson.

He knows that going to Hawthorn would be a good thing. It's just taking him a while to get his mind around it. He has publicly said that he is happy to go to Hawthorn if the St Kilda deal falls through. He is being loyal to his original decision to choose St Kilda and St Kilda are pressuring him to stay fat.

All the while Hawthorn's tactic is to play a straight bat. They get the Anderson deal done and say they are happy with two first round picks but if Carlisle wants to come to Hawthorn they will trade them for him. Hawks have got themselves into a no lose position.

Out of the other players who will blink first? St Kilda, Essendon or Carlisle himself?

Posted in Hawks thread- a fair summary.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

I reckon we'll try to get #35 off West Coast for Giles and #59.

Trade #23 and #25 to GWS for #8.

Offer Carlisle, #35 and #41 to Saints for #5. There's Carlisle plus ya two picks Saintas.

Not that it'll happen but I reckon that's Dodo's plan now.

If he delivers #5 and #8 he's a magician.

 

[Alfred E Neuman]

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I reckon we'll try to get #35 off West Coast for Giles and #59.

Trade #23 and #25 to GWS for #8.

Offer Carlisle, #35 and #41 to Saints for #5. There's Carlisle plus ya two picks Saintas.

Not that it'll happen but I reckon that's Dodo's plan now.

If he delivers #5 and #8 he's a magician.

Oh you haven't heard?

Brian speaking has confirmed that it looks like we're going to accept the deal as is, and then the Saints are going to use those picks to get pick 8 and then use pick 8 and next year's first to get Jaeger O'Meara dontchaknow?

 

[Darealrath]

I reckon we'll try to get #35 off West Coast for Giles and #59.

Trade #23 and #25 to GWS for #8.

Offer Carlisle, #35 and #41 to Saints for #5. There's Carlisle plus ya two picks Saintas.

Not that it'll happen but I reckon that's Dodo's plan now.

If he delivers #5 and #8 he's a magician.

You might be right but I can't see the eagles going for that. They'll think they can him and 41 for 35, which I suspect we might do.

Then Carlisle and 35 for 5 is reasonable, but the saints will still probably demand 23/25 ( 23 just to be petty).

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

You know what stuff them.

Trade both our picks to gws will walk away with 4,8 while Saints and Carlilse are stuck in limbo.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

As silly as it sounds, the Carlisle trade now should be our last priority. Pick 5 is the prize.

If #23 & #25 for #8 is a chance, that has to be the priority as we can lock in a top 10 pick.

Then getting #35 off West Coast is next.

If we can nail those two, we have #4 #8 #35 and #41.

There's then three options re Carlisle.

1. He goes to St Kilda with #35 and #41 for #5.

This gives us #4 #5 and #8

2. He goes to Hawthorn for #15 and #18

This gives us #4 #8 #15 #18 #35 and #41

3. He goes to the PSD

This gives us #4 #8 #35 and #41

Option 3 not ideal and high stakes but all these approaches gives us two top 10 picks, and just maybe a third.

Saints want their man and with nothing else for us to offer, they'd do it I think. If they don't, Jake can go to Hawthorn for #15 and #18 or run the gauntlet - his call.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

You know what stuff them.

Trade both our picks to gws will walk away with 4,8 while Saints and Carlilse are stuck in limbo.

If it's a go we do it. It's largely the same prize as #5.

 

[Alfred E Neuman]

As silly as it sounds, the Carlisle trade now should be our last priority. Pick 5 is the prize.

If #23 & #25 for #8 is a chance, that has to be the priority as we can lock in a top 10 pick.

Then getting #35 off West Coast is next.

If we can nail those two, we have #4 #8 #35 and #41.

There's then three options re Carlisle.

1. He goes to St Kilda with #35 and #41 for #5.

This gives us #4 #5 and #8

2. He goes to Hawthorn for #15 and #18

This gives us #4 #8 #15 #18 #35 and #41

3. He goes to the PSD

This gives us #4 #8 #35 and #41

Option 3 not ideal and high stakes but all these approaches gives us two top 10 picks, and just maybe a third.

Saints want their man and with nothing else for us to offer, they'd do it I think. If they don't, Jake can go to Hawthorn for #15 and #18 or run the gauntlet - his call.

I'd offer them one of 23 or 25 in good faith on Monday morning. If they don't accept within 24 hours, I'd send 23 and 25 to GWS (if there actually is any truth to that scenario).

Then the ball is in their court whether they want to risk the ND (where they could use 5 to get him) or the PSD. Hopefully at this point Jake says, **** this shit, give them pick 5, or I'll go to the Hawks.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

If it's a go we do it. It's largely the same prize as #5.

Will 23+25 be enough for pick 8 though?

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

I'd offer them one of 23 or 25 in good faith on Monday morning. If they don't accept within 24 hours, I'd send 23 and 25 to GWS (if there actually is any truth to that scenario).

Then the ball is in their court whether they want to risk the ND (where they could use 5 to get him) or the PSD. Hopefully at this point Jake says, **** this shit, give them pick 5, or I'll go to the Hawks.

If that happened I'll kiss Dodos' shoes.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

I'd offer them one of 23 or 25 in good faith on Monday morning. If they don't accept within 24 hours, I'd send 23 and 25 to GWS (if there actually is any truth to that scenario).

Then the ball is in their court whether they want to risk the ND (where they could use 5 to get him) or the PSD. Hopefully at this point Jake says, **** this shit, give them pick 5, or I'll go to the Hawks.

After waiting over a week for their first offer, which they only made after another club made them pull their finger out, I don't think we're obliged to do anything Monday morning.

St Kildas strategy all the way through has been to sweat Essendon into an unders deal. If Hawthorn hadn't put a rocket up them we still wouldn't even have an offer.

As I said, getting #35 for Giles needs to be the priority as it shores up our position and gives us more currency.

If we can get #8 it's a no brainer. We're not obliged to give either #23 or #25 to St Kilda.

If those two deals can happen, the situation is very clear for St Kilda. Have JC for #5 and we throw in #35 and #41. Otherwise you can try your luck in the draft. Your call. But there's 4 clubs with draft picks before you.

Will 23+25 be enough for pick 8 though?

It's come about because we're in the sweet spot in terms of value - the value of #23 and #25 is about 20 points different to #8.

The AFL have said if any pick swap is greater than a 200 point difference either way, it could well be knocked back as a manifestly uneven trade.

So clubs offers can't be too high or too low.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

After waiting over a week for their first offer, which they only made after another club made them pull their finger out, I don't think we're obliged to do anything Monday morning.

St Kildas strategy all the way through has been to sweat Essendon into an unders deal. If Hawthorn hadn't put a rocket up them we still wouldn't even have an offer.

As I said, getting #35 for Giles needs to be the priority as it shores up our position and gives us more currency.

If we can get #8 it's a no brainer. We're not obliged to give either #23 or #25 to St Kilda.

If those two deals can happen, the situation is very clear for St Kilda. Have JC for #5 and we throw in #35 and #41. Otherwise you can try your luck in the draft. Your call. But there's 4 clubs with draft picks before you.

Will also send a message that Essendon will no longer be low balled and lose players for unders.

 

[Rack Watts]

Will also send a message that Essendon will no longer be low balled and lose players for unders.

Lets everybody know we are dickheads.

 

[YEMOC NAYR]

Will also send a message that Essendon will no longer be low balled and lose players for unders.

As I said before, this is why supporters aren't list managers. Well, the supporter logic atleast.

Terrible business. Wouldn't send any message.. would send saints a free player.

 

[bombadeer]

Posted in Hawks thread- a fair summary.

I disagree - wishful thinking by a Hawthorn supporter that they have a chance. Money talks, you know the rest.

Sometimes the answer is staring you in the face - Carlisle is chasing the money, and the Saints have stumped up the most cash. Why won't be he playing at the Bombers next year? Because we would in no way be prepared to pay him more than two clearly better players - Hooker and Hurley, and he knows it.

Why won't he be playing at Hawthorn next year? $$$$$$. Not enough of it in the Hawks kitty to land this one. Their only hope was that Carlisle valued premiership medallions over dosh.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

As I said before, this is why supporters aren't list managers. Well, the supporter logic atleast.

Terrible business. Wouldn't send any message.. would send saints a free player.

What's about Saints offer yesterday?

edit - In the end a deal will get done.

 

[Rack Watts]

Brant Colledge looked alright from memory, remember him from a few drafts back, Freo wanted him as a replacement for Pavlich. Must not have come on as thought, or had it been injury? He's not dissimilar to Charlie Curnow as a player. If Worsfold thinks he's a player, then nab him.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

What do people expect Carlisle to have done when the Hawks offer came? Can't expect him to just come out and say "you beauty". Instead it's the we are sticking with St Kilda line but Hawks are a nice option if it all turns to shite.

 

[Rack Watts]

What do people expect Carlisle to have done when the Hawks offer came? Can't expect him to just come out and say "you beauty". Instead it's the we are sticking with St Kilda line but Hawks are a nice option if it all turns to shite.

I'd rather join a side where I know I've contributed to a premiership, build from the beginning. He gets that at the Saints. They're going the right direction. Maybe not next year, but they have a great bunch of young players.

 

[rusman]

If pick 23+25 for 8 was an option I think we would have already done it We still would have next years 2nd an 3rd for trades. Plenty to get pick 5. Let's just hope jake has smashed a few beers and watched the grandfinal replay tonight.

 

[Its Manbearpig]

41 and Giles to WC for 35
Then
Carlisle + 35 for 5
Then
Try pull off the GWS pick If theyll take it.
Theeeen to the draft!