Traded #22: Jake Carlisle - Pt.1 - Traded with some other stuff for pick 5, 24 and a Bird (cont in Part 2)

[Runk]

Actually no we don't allow them to troll our site.
In the last couple of weeks we've worked really hard to stop the trolling on this board, and yes in that time we have all issued cards.
We've tried to make sure that the Essendon posters aren't exposed to the trolling and have been pretty successful, but sometimes things such as work, uni, sleep and life means that we may miss something.

If you see something that equates to trolling report it

Exactly.

Back on topic - Can't see Dodoro every giving away those two picks. Non negotiables. Saints can get Carlisle for 5 or offer a better deal. This has to be win/win for all and not win/shaft.

 

[Despair]

St Kilda fans really are strange individuals. So bitter and foamy about everything. Also not even close to being reasonable. They think it's overs if they trade pick 5 for Carlisle & Freeman lmao.

This is what happens when the mind is tortured. 27 spoons. 1 Flag back in 1966 when Rick Astley was born.

 

[Runk]

St Kilda fans really are strange individuals. So bitter and foamy about everything. Also not even close to being reasonable. They think it's overs if they trade pick 5 for Carlisle & Freeman lmao.

This is what happens when the mind is tortured. 27 spoons. 1 Flag back in 1966 when Rick Astley was born.

No wonder they're never gonna give up.




I apologise - I'll be here all day, try the veal!!

 

[Benno30]

The latter every time.

What about 4,5 & 8 if GWS come to the party and Saints finally wake up and smell the fresh morning air of Trade week. Which poses the question, Does Ameet Baines realize that Trade week has actually started?

 

[Dave]

Alright a few things:

a) please cut out the abuse
b) don't pot the Saints mods, believe me they find this whole mess every bit as tedious as we do
c) ST KILDA POSTERS, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES YOU NEED TO BE TOLD: DON'T COME HERE AND TROLL. DON'T COME HERE AND BE ABUSIVE.

If you can't manage either of those, don't bother posting here.

Just on that, I've been posting on their trade thread all week, their posters and mods have been terrific. It's the first time since you know what that I've felt like I can post somewhere other than here without copping a torrent of abuse.

 

[84859300]

Is there a chance that Carlisle is baulking at going to Hawthorn not because of less money, but more because he would be held more accountable at a bigger club??

The Hawks have not ****ed around with their big names, dropping some due to form, moving on players for the better of the club... all business. I would bet at the saints that jake would be guaranteed to be starting 22 every week, no seconds games and leadership group from day 1.

For a guy with supposed mental demons - Hawthorn just isn't the best club for him right now.

 

[Alfred E Neuman]

What about 4,5 & 8 if GWS come to the party and Saints finally wake up and smell the fresh morning air of Trade week. Which poses the question, Does Ameet Baines realize that Trade week has actually started?

Agree:

This is how this trade plays out in my happy place.

1. We trade Picks 23, 25 and 41 for pick 8 to GWS on Monday morning
2. Inform the Saints we no longer have picks 23 and 25 to trade, and are unwilling to send them pick 8. If they want Carlisle, they pony up pick 5.
3.In the event that the Saints decline our offer, tell Jake's manager in no uncertain terms that his remaining choices are to either go to the Hawks for 15 and 18, or the PSD, where we absolutely will pick him up if he gets past Carlton or Brisbane, regardless of the price he puts on his head.

The risk, of course is that either Carlton or Brisbane pick him up, but that is unlikely, given the monumental price tag that will undoubtedly be on his head.

In reality,

We'll either screw around for 4 days, finally giving up pick 23/25 along with Carlisle or at worst, we'll cave and give them the 2 picks that they are after.

 

[Barry Roundhouse]

still can't get over them wanting 23 and 25 with carlie for 5.

it's basically 5 for carlie and 8 (GWS).

I would rather let him go for nothing and then we trade with GWS and take 8. **** em. the fact that letting him go for free will only downgrade our pick 3 spots is crazy.

 

[Kingofthehill]

still can't get over them wanting 23 and 25 with carlie for 5.

it's basically 5 for carlie and 8 (GWS).

I would rather let him go for nothing and then we trade with GWS and take 8. **** em. the fact that letting him go for free will only downgrade our pick 3 spots is crazy.

Agree. If can get 8 do it.
If we need picks to get 5 done I guess we can always use next years (3rd as it a stronger draft)

 

[Summer Nights]

I think they see Carlisle as a side part to the trade.
I've read many comparisons (including one journalist) of what 5 is compared to what they might get at the 20's. It like it's been forgotten they get a very good (possibly to elite) key back, and that's what 5 is for.
I think it was Tom Brown who said at 5 you get a Franklin (not always) and in the 20s it's very hit miss (or words to that affect). Slightly missing the whole Carlisle component of the trade.

Considering Franklin is a once-a-decade player, you get a Franklin or Fyfe about 2% of the time in the top 10.

I see pick 5 as a 50% chance at Hurley or Heppell quality player. The other 50% of the time the player doesn't meet expectations.

A pick in the 20s is like a 30% chance at a B grade midfielder or small forward etc.

Picks have speculative value. They're usually worth more before they're spent than after due to the gambling element. That's why I think (as do most) that pick 5 or 10 or the like is fair value for Carlisle.

 

[MadSaint66]

Hey, certainly not a troll here.
Anyone hear the caller Finey had last night on SEN called Dragen.
He had a great 4 way deal to solve the Carlisle deal, seemed to satisfy all the needs of StK, Ess, Haw & Coll.
StK get Carlisle and Freeman, give 5.
Haw get 5, give 15 & 18.
Ess get 15 & 18, give Carlisle and 23.
Coll get 23 and give Freeman.
There may need to be a few extra late swaps to smooth a few edges but the beauty of it is all the clubs give and get what they've previously said they'd be satisfied with.
Thoughts?

 

[grugsticles]

Hey, certainly not a troll here.
Anyone hear the caller Finey had last night on SEN called Dragen.
He had a great 4 way deal to solve the Carlisle deal, seemed to satisfy all the needs of StK, Ess, Haw & Coll.
StK get Carlisle and Freeman, give 5.
Haw get 5, give 15 & 18.
Ess get 15 & 18, give Carlisle and 23.
Coll get 23 and give Freeman.
There may need to be a few extra late swaps to smooth a few edges but the beauty of it is all the clubs give and get what they've previously said they'd be satisfied with.
Thoughts?

So, effectively ESS swap pick 5 from Saints to Hawks... Umm, no thanks.

 

[MadSaint66]

So, effectively ESS swap pick 5 from Saints to Hawks... Umm, no thanks.

No, Ess swap Carlisle and 23 for 15 & 18

 

[pepsi]

No, Ess swap Carlisle and 23 for 15 & 18

How is that a good deal for Essendon, honestly?

 

[Lance Uppercut]

No, Ess swap Carlisle and 23 for 15 & 18

So we swap a player like Carlisle for pick 15 and a 5 place upgrade on our second?

Yeah nah

 

[Kingofthehill]

Hey, certainly not a troll here.
Anyone hear the caller Finey had last night on SEN called Dragen.
He had a great 4 way deal to solve the Carlisle deal, seemed to satisfy all the needs of StK, Ess, Haw & Coll.
StK get Carlisle and Freeman, give 5.
Haw get 5, give 15 & 18.
Ess get 15 & 18, give Carlisle and 23.
Coll get 23 and give Freeman.
There may need to be a few extra late swaps to smooth a few edges but the beauty of it is all the clubs give and get what they've previously said they'd be satisfied with.
Thoughts?

How about you give us 5, and we decide if we want to swap 5 for 15 and 18 we'll do it

 

[Doss]

I still don't understand how the Saints could possibly think Carlisle plus 23 plus 25 for 5 is fair.

I could tolerate Carlisle plus one of 23 and 25. Not both.

Both is just greedy.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Hey, certainly not a troll here.
Anyone hear the caller Finey had last night on SEN called Dragen.
He had a great 4 way deal to solve the Carlisle deal, seemed to satisfy all the needs of StK, Ess, Haw & Coll.
StK get Carlisle and Freeman, give 5.
Haw get 5, give 15 & 18.
Ess get 15 & 18, give Carlisle and 23.
Coll get 23 and give Freeman.
There may need to be a few extra late swaps to smooth a few edges but the beauty of it is all the clubs give and get what they've previously said they'd be satisfied with.
Thoughts?

So besides getting Carlisle for a paltry 15 plus a pissy upgrade of a second round pick, you get Carlisle and Freeman for pick 5!! No wonder Feiny the flog liked it. You clearly need to take 23 out of the equation.

 

[MadSaint66]

How is that a good deal for Essendon, honestly?

It's fair for all i guess.
Carlisle for 15 and part of the bonus of improving 23 to 18.
Not getting the kitchen sink I'll grant but certainly no getting stiffed

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

It's fair for all i guess.
Carlisle for 15 and part of the bonus of improving 23 to 18.
Not getting the kitchen sink I'll grant but certainly no getting stiffed

Completely deluded

 

[straightuplazy]

Hey, certainly not a troll here.
Anyone hear the caller Finey had last night on SEN called Dragen.
He had a great 4 way deal to solve the Carlisle deal, seemed to satisfy all the needs of StK, Ess, Haw & Coll.
StK get Carlisle and Freeman, give 5.
Haw get 5, give 15 & 18.
Ess get 15 & 18, give Carlisle and 23.
Coll get 23 and give Freeman.
There may need to be a few extra late swaps to smooth a few edges but the beauty of it is all the clubs give and get what they've previously said they'd be satisfied with.
Thoughts?

Why not just give pick 5 if you are going to give us both 15 & 18 anyway and we just give 25 back, think saints need another 2nd rounder for Rice in the draft

 

[frenchfri12]

We get pick 5 for losing Carlilse and Melksham that's a win in my book.

ID'd say loosing two players for one draft pick when we have an offer to lose two players for three draft picks already on the table is a complete failure.
Why is anyone saying we should get this trade done. **** how bad it looks for St. Kilda or for us. Don't give a shit. Just refuse everything St. Kilda offer until they offer pick #5 or he goes to Hawthorn. Simple.

 

[Fin ice Smuggler]

Hey, certainly not a troll here.
Anyone hear the caller Finey had last night on SEN called Dragen.
He had a great 4 way deal to solve the Carlisle deal, seemed to satisfy all the needs of StK, Ess, Haw & Coll.
StK get Carlisle and Freeman, give 5.
Haw get 5, give 15 & 18.
Ess get 15 & 18, give Carlisle and 23.
Coll get 23 and give Freeman.
There may need to be a few extra late swaps to smooth a few edges but the beauty of it is all the clubs give and get what they've previously said they'd be satisfied with.
Thoughts?

so instead of saints giving Essendon pick 5 they give the 3 peat champions who have played in last 4 granny's the top 5 selection????

there's no need for hawthorn in that trade deal, cut it to 3 teams and you have a deal then.

I think most Essendon supporters can suck up giving 1 second rounder away, not 2.

 

[Kingofthehill]

I still don't understand how the Saints could possibly think Carlisle plus 23 plus 25 for 5 is fair.

I could tolerate Carlisle plus one of 23 and 25. Not both.

Both is just greedy.

It's almost insulting, but the worst part is his manager suggested it was a fair deal.
That's a worry.

 

[Despair]

Starting to think we should try pick 4 + Carlisle for pick 5.

Pick 5 is apparently the most valued pick in the draft and St Kilda know a thing or two about success.