3 disgraced cricketers, one recurring voice

[Ohitsthatguy]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/496743.html

**** off India

You'll never prove the whole team was involved as much as you want to.

de Kock called Warner's wife a **** and he wanted revenge, there's nothing more to it.

 

[Park cricketer]

The bowlers must have known, right?

Steyn, Philander, Rabada... cheats.

To quote Metallica, "you label us I'll label you".

Never thought I'd use that in sentence, hahahaa.

Not sure why you're getting riled up. I never took the moral high ground and slagged off Australia for cheating. I have repeatedly mentioned that all teams work on the ball to various extents and that it only blew up for Australia for the sheer amateurish manner it was carried out.

It's okay if you're caught peeking the answer sheet of the guy next to you in a test but what Australia did is the equivalent of bringing a piece of note with answers written on it to a final examination despite knowing that there are a hundred cctv cameras positioned in the examination hall.

 

[Doss]

Rumour is that Smith enjoyed a hearty Christmas lunch yesterday. Clearly this shows a lack of remorse, bloody ungrateful prick should have been eating bread and bloody dripping.

 

[Socrates2]

Dave (Warner) suggested to me to carry the action out on the ball given the situation we were in in the game and I didn’t know any better,” Bancroft told Gilchrist, as reported exclusively by Fox Sports.

“I didn’t know any better because I just wanted to fit in and feel valued, really — as simple as that.

“The decision was based around my values, what I valued at the time and I valued fitting in …
No sympathy for a guy who values fitting in more than anything else.I don't know why people keep defending these knobs,they are 3 cheats, they embarrassed the country and they try and deflect blame and play the victim card.

 

[Doss]

Imagine still raging that strongly about this close to a year later. They were punished, very strongly. The media will continue to ask these players for sound bites. These sound bites might sound a bit stupid. It is what it is.

 

[Demons09]

Dave (Warner) suggested to me to carry the action out on the ball given the situation we were in in the game and I didn’t know any better,” Bancroft told Gilchrist, as reported exclusively by Fox Sports.

“I didn’t know any better because I just wanted to fit in and feel valued, really — as simple as that.

“The decision was based around my values, what I valued at the time and I valued fitting in …
No sympathy for a guy who values fitting in more than anything else.I don't know why people keep defending these knobs,they are 3 cheats, they embarrassed the country and they try and deflect blame and play the victim card.

Quick get on FB and tell everyone how outraged you are , embarrassed the country lol.

 

[Plat]

The entire coverage had been disgraceful.

But Warner is such a ****stick that I'm praying he never plays for Australia again.

 

[STFU Donnie]

Imagine still raging that strongly about this close to a year later. They were punished, very strongly. The media will continue to ask these players for sound bites. These sound bites might sound a bit stupid. It is what it is.

Well, to be fair, this thread was triggered by an appallingly sanctimonious ad by one of the three; an ad that turned out to be for effing Vodafone!

 

[damochandler]

He’s 26 and he says he didn’t know better? What a load of rubbish

 

[The Speaker]

No sympathy for a guy who values fitting in more than anything else.

A lot of people want to fit in, particularly when the thing they want to fit into is at the centre of their life.

Says much more about the Australian team than anything else.

 

[Nuke Fremantle]

Penalties were way over the top in the first place, so no problem with them playing in T20 comps/giving interviews etc.

 

[Ok Boomer]

So Bancroft has confirmed what we already knew.

He was a naive cricketer who should have known better.
Warner is a knob.
Smith wasn’t a strong enough leader.

 

[Parkerman]

Has anyone asked why Warner threw Bancroft under the bus? Why he didn’t do it himself?

South African team and cameras were on to Warner apparently, hence they shifted to Bancroft. Probably would have been prudent to cease altogether at that point.

There was footage from the first test where Warner, with gauze tape across the palm of his hand, would "squish" the ball between his hands before throwing the ball to the bowler. Not conclusive proof of ball tampering, but enough exposure for Warner to have the names of his wife and kids on the tape the next day.

Just to make sure he didn't forget their names, I suppose.

There's also footage of du Plessis squishng his hands during the Bancroft incident, which was shown during the Bancroft interview.

EDITED to squishing

 

[gbatman]

Bancroft - Weak as piss
Warner - Out and out cheat
Smith - Incompetent and irresponsible leadership

We don't care you three. You all f***ed up and did the wrong thing. We don't care what reasons (excuses) you lot come up with to justify why you did what you did. Cop the punishment, shut up about it, get on with cricket once your back. Learn to take your punishment on the chin and stop making excuse, you f***ed up, now don't do it again.

 

[holybishop]

This should be more damning than the "new" Warner revelations.

 

[damochandler]

Again why was howard even talking to them

 

[DaRick]

Thing about Australian cricketers that sets them apart from other nations, in my opinion, is the fact that they're treated as de-facto international ambassadors. The captain of the Australian Test Cricket Team was at once point colloquially known as the second highest position in Australia, second only to the Prime Minister. Australia loves to place their cricketers on a high pedestal, and sports people for that, but few sports are more important than the cricket.

Why? It's one of the few sports we've comprehensively beaten England at, and continually produced some of the greatest players that played the sport in the world.

I agree that Australians have a tendency to pedestalise their sportsmen, but they're not unique in that regard (NZ venerate the All Blacks for example). I would argue that India's cricket team also has a similar ambassadorial status, although in their case when the team is accused of wrongdoing by outsiders in foreign lands they tend to close ranks, instead preferring to dole out punishments on their own turf if at all (like when Harbhajan was banned from the rest of IPL 2008 after slapping Sreesanth).

I think that cricket has faded somewhat from the Australian public's consciousness over the past decade. Even the late 2000's young people weren't as interested in the sport as they once were, what with soccer becoming mainstream and AFL expanding its area of influence.

It's for that reason that I think that the media/public hysteria was less about the esteem in which our cricket team is held and more about Australia's insecurity about having its image of playing hard but fair tarnished.

Then there's cheating in sports and I think you would be hard pressed to find an Australian sports lover that condones it. It's a really strange situation at the moment, there's almost a push to forgive him and move past the event, sweep it under the carpet because to some, he may as well be the second coming of Jesus, such as his reverence.

It's an interesting discussion, because there are those that will say they don't condone what happened, the blatant cheating, but they're more than willing to absolve him of blame and responsibility, after showing unbelievable naivety, narrow-mindedness and a willingness to throw his own team mates under the bus. Nothing has changed in 9 months and he still thinks he didn't do anything wrong, it's as if though the gravity of the situation escapes him.

I think that he is guilty of being a weak leader, that he should have prevented the ball-tampering from taking place and that he should not be considered for leadership positions ever again - I don't think too many on this forum would disagree with such sentiments. However, as as far as I can tell he didn't devise nor explicitly support the scheme himself, so in that sense he has a right to be aggrieved at Bancroft/Warner. Where the disagreement lies is whether or not the bans were appropriate. I tend to think not; that they were more a response to media/public hysteria than the crime itself.

I genuinely wonder if the Vodafone ad was pulled from public backlash. The timing of it all was just so very, very wrong.

I frankly think that keeping out of the public eye, rather than repeatedly reminding everyone that the incident occurred, is the best course of action. If they did that I think that the media/public would have largely moved on to other things (excepting a few media vultures like the British tabloids).

The same goes for Bancroft and his 'tell-all' expose about Warner. I think that they should discuss this stuff at the end of their careers; not now.

 

[The Swans Blog]

I agree that Australians have a tendency to pedestalise their sportsmen, but they're not unique in that regard (NZ venerate the All Blacks for example). I would argue that India's cricket team also has a similar ambassadorial status, although in their case when the team is accused of wrongdoing by outsiders in foreign lands they tend to close ranks, instead preferring to dole out punishments on their own turf if at all (like when Harbhajan was banned from the rest of IPL 2008 after slapping Sreesanth).

I think that cricket has faded somewhat from the Australian public's consciousness over the past decade. Even the late 2000's young people weren't as interested in the sport as they once were, what with soccer becoming mainstream and AFL expanding its area of influence.

It's for that reason that I think that the media/public hysteria was less about the esteem in which our cricket team is held and more about Australia's insecurity about having its image of playing hard but fair tarnished.



I think that he is guilty of being a weak leader, that he should have prevented the ball-tampering from taking place and that he should not be considered for leadership positions ever again - I don't think too many on this forum would disagree with such sentiments. However, as as far as I can tell he didn't devise nor explicitly support the scheme himself, so in that sense he has a right to be aggrieved at Bancroft/Warner. Where the disagreement lies is whether or not the bans were appropriate. I tend to think not; that they were more a response to media/public hysteria than the crime itself.



I frankly think that keeping out of the public eye, rather than repeatedly reminding everyone that the incident occurred, is the best course of action. If they did that I think that the media/public would have largely moved on to other things (excepting a few media vultures like the British tabloids).

The same goes for Bancroft and his 'tell-all' expose about Warner. I think that they should discuss this stuff at the end of their careers; not now.

There is a desire to see if they have personally grown from the experience and to see if they really have learned from it

 

[maryjames]

Also one of them is a snitch.

 

[PoopingHindi]

just saw the latest Bancroft interview...what a crock of shit.

how is it that the captain knew about the plan (i still dont believe the story of how that happened by the way) and then Bancroft carried it out and lied about it afterwards, yet somehow this is all Dave Warners fault?

 

[maryjames]

He’s 26 and he says he didn’t know better? What a load of rubbish

Just a snitch weak campaigner to me.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

A lot of people want to fit in, particularly when the thing they want to fit into is at the centre of their life.

Says much more about the Australian team than anything else.

The fact that they thought they could do it around the cameras and get away with it says a lot about the team.

The fact that Bancroft says that as a fully grown adult he didnt know better means his parents either didnt raise him with the right values or they did and he ignored them and pretending he didn't know better is a rubbish cop out.

Frankly all three of them are delinquent cheats and should have been banned for life.

 

[DamoESP]

3 guys ****ed up, got severely punished and are serving those punishments. Once they’ve served their time, they can work their way back into the team if their cricket and temperament fits in with the new team culture.

Everything else is just hogwash.


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[frankrizzo]

So many people wanted the players to give more details on how this all happened and now that they have people are saying they shouldn't have said a word about it.

 

[The Speaker]

Frankly all three of them are delinquent cheats and should have been banned for life.

That would be a stupid response.