Traded #3: Scott Gumbleton - Traded to Fremantle for pick 55

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Re: Scott Gumbleton- Anyone given up? [Update Feb 2012: Placed on LTI list]

efcboy said:
yeah having constant back pain and recovering from surgery would be great....
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I really feel sorry for Gumbleton, i said when he had his 1st back operation he would struggle to make it back, then recently i heard he had another back operation, i went through those same operations, i went under the knife 4 times and my back is still stuffed, i hope that Gumbleton makes it back and has a pain free life because i wouldnt want anyone to go through what i go through.
Good luck for 2012 guys.

PS: This is not a troll.
 
Re: Scott Gumbleton- Anyone given up? [Update Feb 2012: Placed on LTI list]

Anyone know if our medical recommendations stunted Gumby's ability to get his body right?

I remember a story a few years ago, when Gumby first came out of contract, that West Coast presented to him and his management how they would go about treating his injuries and getting him right.

Spike got in Gumby's ear and he stayed but I wonder if West Coast's ideas would have worked?
 
Re: Scott Gumbleton- Anyone given up? [Update Feb 2012: Placed on LTI list]

keepzitreal said:
Anyone know if our medical recommendations stunted Gumby's ability to get his body right?

I remember a story a few years ago, when Gumby first came out of contract, that West Coast presented to him and his management how they would go about treating his injuries and getting him right.

Spike got in Gumby's ear and he stayed but I wonder if West Coast's ideas would have worked?
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Was Jonh Worsfold going to pump him full of pharmaceuticals?
 

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Re: Scott Gumbleton- Anyone given up? [Update Feb 2012: Placed on LTI list]

efcboy said:
Was Jonh Worsfold going to pump him full of pharmaceuticals?
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Re: Scott Gumbleton- Anyone given up? [Update Feb 2012: Placed on LTI list]

If he doesnt play 5 games in a row this year may have to look at delisting him and hoping to rookie draft him. would hate him to do something at another club. might be a back up for hurley if he walks.
 
Re: #3: Scott Gumbleton - Still in the rehab group (Back)

TheDon35 said:
Serious question, does anybody know who operated on him?
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I thought you were going to say this guy.

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Re: #3: Scott Gumbleton - Still in the rehab group (Back)

Where would people see Gumby if he comes back in the twos after say round 6. Then slowly builds up his fitness base and doesn't play a full game until say round 10 -12. Then he plays a solid back half of the year but can't break into the side because the talls in there are doing enough to not get dropped.

What would you do with him? Personally I'd give him another year if it looked like his injuries were behind him to see what would happen with a full preseason, if that was what was going to happen.
 
#3: Scott Gumbleton - Failure?

fishardansin said:
Where would people see Gumby if he comes back in the twos after say round 6. Then slowly builds up his fitness base and doesn't play a full game until say round 10 -12. Then he plays a solid back half of the year but can't break into the side because the talls in there are doing enough to not get dropped.

What would you do with him? Personally I'd give him another year if it looked like his injuries were behind him to see what would happen with a full preseason, if that was what was going to happen.
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Rookie him
 

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Re: Scott Gumbleton- Anyone given up? [Update Feb 2012: Placed on LTI list]

Juddys_navy_blues said:
I really feel sorry for Gumbleton, i said when he had his 1st back operation he would struggle to make it back, then recently i heard he had another back operation, i went through those same operations, i went under the knife 4 times and my back is still stuffed, i hope that Gumbleton makes it back and has a pain free life because i wouldnt want anyone to go through what i go through.
Good luck for 2012 guys.

PS: This is not a troll.
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Thanks mate :thumbsu:
 
Re: #3: Scott Gumbleton - Still in the rehab group (Back)

Think we are clutching at straws.

Gumby is coming in 2012 off a limited pre-season ( same as 2011 ) - Didn't get close to senior selection in 2011.

He will need to jump out of the ground to play good senior footy.
 
Re: #3: Scott Gumbleton - Still in the rehab group (Back)

yaco55 said:
Think we are clutching at straws.

Gumby is coming in 2012 off a limited pre-season ( same as 2011 ) - Didn't get close to senior selection in 2011.

He will need to jump out of the ground to play good senior footy.
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Read my scenario Yaco. I'm saying if he works hard at his rehab and gets relatively fit for the second half of the season and is given a full bill of health by the docs to do a full preseason over the next summer, even if he hasn't broken into the senior side. Would you give him one more year to show something?

Considering that 196cm guys with great hands and can run all day don't grow on trees I would because even if he realises only 70% of his talent I expect him to be good enough to be depth or a role player in a very good side.
 
Re: #3: Scott Gumbleton - Still in the rehab group (Back)

Can he still run all day, and are his hands still good?

What kind of expectations can one really have of someone that's been perpetually injured since he was 18? If he'd had a good couple of years and then gone through this, at least there'd be some idea of what he could work towards.

We went through a similar thing with Travis Gaspar. Not as highly rated as Gumbleton was as a junior, but still a very high selection (14) whose first 10 games had us very excited for the future. He must've missed four seasons after that. All over that key period you need your KPF's playing footy and learning the trade. When he finally got himself right to go, there was no resemblance of the player we were hoping for. He played out one more year with some interruption, but at that point it was clear the damage had been done :(

Obviously you guys are aware of this, but I'm posting this in response to the idea of giving him another contract if he's fit for preseason training. I wouldn't do it. Even as a mature-aged rookie you'd have a better probability of success picking up the 100th kid in the draft.
 
Re: #3: Scott Gumbleton - Still in the rehab group (Back)

fishardansin said:
Read my scenario Yaco. I'm saying if he works hard at his rehab and gets relatively fit for the second half of the season and is given a full bill of health by the docs to do a full preseason over the next summer, even if he hasn't broken into the senior side. Would you give him one more year to show something?

Considering that 196cm guys with great hands and can run all day don't grow on trees I would because even if he realises only 70% of his talent I expect him to be good enough to be depth or a role player in a very good side.
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Fish

We can only talk in certainties not maybe's.

Have said previously that if 2012 ends up like 2011 - Gumby and the Club will have suffered enough and he will move on - Whether that is State league, Rookie List at another club or retirement.
 
Re: #3: Scott Gumbleton - Still in the rehab group (Back)

Cerpin Taxt said:
Can he still run all day, and are his hands still good?

What kind of expectations can one really have of someone that's been perpetually injured since he was 18? If he'd had a good couple of years and then gone through this, at least there'd be some idea of what he could work towards.

We went through a similar thing with Travis Gaspar. Not as highly rated as Gumbleton was as a junior, but still a very high selection (14) whose first 10 games had us very excited for the future. He must've missed four seasons after that. All over that key period you need your KPF's playing footy and learning the trade. When he finally got himself right to go, there was no resemblance of the player we were hoping for. He played out one more year with some interruption, but at that point it was clear the damage had been done :(

Obviously you guys are aware of this, but I'm posting this in response to the idea of giving him another contract if he's fit for preseason training. I wouldn't do it. Even as a mature-aged rookie you'd have a better probability of success picking up the 100th kid in the draft.
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He played most of 2010 and half of 2011 (in the VFL). He has played 22 AFL games and probably a few more in the VFL.

Crameri has played 23 AFL games, and he's one week younger than Gumbleton, BTW. Hardingham has played 28 and is the same age also. (Ryder is a few months older than the lot of them, and has played 117).

In 2010 Gumby showed that he still had his mobility, leap and great hands. In 2011 he put on a fair bit of weight while playing for Bendigo, so it's hard to know where he is at at the moment, but you would expect that he still has enough tools to be worth a spot if his body can hold up.
 
Re: #3: Scott Gumbleton - Still in the rehab group (Back)

Tonight showed a fit (funny I know) Gumby would be very handy. Carlisle was our best target sans Hurley, but someone capable of taking a pack mark would be priceless. :(
 
Re: #3: Scott Gumbleton - Still in the rehab group (Back)

Hardingham played plenty of footy before being drafted. I'm not sure about Crameri's past. Podsiadly had 10 years of senior VFL experience.

These scenarios can't be compared to someone that has spent 2/3rd's of their development years injured. It's not too late for Gumby to be a serviceable player, but I'm talking about tempering expectations.
 
Re: #3: Scott Gumbleton - Still in the rehab group (Back)

Cerpin Taxt said:
Hardingham played plenty of footy before being drafted. I'm not sure about Crameri's past. Podsiadly had 10 years of senior VFL experience.

These scenarios can't be compared to someone that has spent 2/3rd's of their development years injured. It's not too late for Gumby to be a serviceable player, but I'm talking about tempering expectations.
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You're right. But whatever happens, Gumby is always going to be perceived as a failure considering he was a rare top-two draft pick.
 

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Traded #3: Scott Gumbleton - Traded to Fremantle for pick 55

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