Past 34. Sam Philp

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Sweet Seventeen said:
I expect to see great improvement in Fish next season. He has just gone through his second season and he was a bit disappointing, second-year blues i believe. I still love the kid and with a big pre-season he should be ready to step up.
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Fishers played 3 years now and was having a great season in 2018 until that Hawthorn ****-wit fractured Zac’s leg.

With 55 games up I think he’ll be primed for a great season next year.
 
GoingFor17 said:
Yep. And even more than that, Philp is a St Thomas boy too. Don't there there are too many of those - if any - running around in the AFL. There's two big reasons for me to love this kid already!
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He certainly is. Loyola producing a lot of AFL players. Kruze, Philp, Heath and Rhys Shaw, Grimes, Lennon in the Mens and Lochland, Privitelli and Sansonetti in the women’s.
 

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Jeremias said:
Not sure what there is to 'get'; it is simply the way someone has chosen to rate the attributes of players many won't have seen play before.

The top 30 players had full write ups but those who attended state combines or similar had more restricted profiles.
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Well, if it's purely a ratio like the other attributes I'd expect the player with the higher ratings overall to also have the higher 'ceiling'. Maybe you need another rating for 'intangibles', I say, only half seriously.
 
windows1 said:
Here you go The Bighouse

A Tale of Two Philpy’s

Ok so this is one of the more intriguing prospects I think I’ve ever seen. His first five games this year were really average. He did nothing that said AFL player. Literally nothing. It is not at all surprising to me that he didn’t get picked for Vic Metro now. He just got he ball and dishes off quickly. Created nothing. Didn’t show his pace. Nothing. Played on Green a bit in Round 4 and it was a man against a boy.

His round 7 game was the turning point of his year, maybe life. For the change made him draftable. Clearly he had a big chat/reflection/something. Or he was carrying an injury before that. Either way he was a new player. He started using his pace. He went forward, led out, took chest marks and was dangerous.

I don’t see his year as a ‘constant rate of progress’. I see it as a ‘stepwise change’ from round 7 on. Then maybe slight improvements thereafter.

So a summary of what I saw from round 7 to the end of the year....

He clearly thinks a lot about his game. First piece of evidence for that is when he has the chance to get space he REALLY focuses on straightening up before kicking. That makes his passing really reliable up to 40-45m. The second piece of evidence is that I think from that round 7 game he started to hold on to the ball and drive into space with his pace. And the third is he started hitting ground balls on the move- to over come his weaknesses and maximise the benefits of his speed. The quality of thinking about his game is wonderful and makes me think he will really thrive in an environment where he can get access to footage and coaching at an elite level.

So his kicking is good. Like don’t worry about it at all. You’ll have no Paddy Dow wtf moments. He won’t slice up play with it. But he’s AFl standard kicking. His left foot is probably ‘in case of emergency’ only, and I wouldn’t call him dual sided. His hands are good. Not amazing. You may see him make the occasional fumble but in my judgment it is a result of his ball collection strategy: he tries to take the ball on the move. I think he does that because he’s not physically strong, and so to avoid being tackled too often he hits the ball on the move instead of waiting for it. Frankly I applaud the strategy. I’d rather see him make a fumble error every couple of games than get tackled 6 times a game.

He is really dangerous forward. Transitioning forward mainly. He bursts into space onto loose balls, balances and kicks goals with composure. Everyone has cited his ability to burst from packs. It’s very Dow like. He’s just more composed after he hits space than Paddy.

As I’ve alluded to he is not strong. I was a bit surprised by that given he’s 185 and 80. He doesn’t look 80. In particular he needs a lot of core strength work. He collapses a bit too much when tackled. Not Fish or LOb bad but not ideal. The lack of strength dramatically reduces his burst impact. He loses a bit of momentum being bumped and slowed down a fair bit due to being more easily tackled. It is.l in this area where he doesn’t match Dow- Dow stands up brilliantly in tackles. If he can fix this it will generate another stepwise effect in his game. His strength also makes him run defensively out of stoppages more than I’d like (although it’s better than him doing what he did in the first few games of the year- just ‘give off’). If he was stronger he’d go harder through the front of packs more. Back himself more.

A second major area of improvement is footy nous. He is like the opposite of Walsh. He doesn’t get involved in link up play. He ball watches a bit and does automatically move into “how can I get back involved” mode. Unclear whether these are a result of Knights game style issues, his role, or perhaps conditioning. This I think is why his disposals are not as high as you’d like.

Another improvement area for him is his creativity. By hand and foot he is very safe. I want to see him tuck the ball under his arm and crash forward over and over with his pace. Continue to attack with his legs.

If you want to see what he can do go watch the last play of around 10 on the NaB League app. Bursts onto the ball. Picks it up at his feet. Uses his pace to create space. Hits a target on his left. He clearly worked hard on his game through the year. Really impressive.

In any event- I love his weaknesses. For a kid with his attitude I really expect him to improve them dramatically. I now think he’s a high chance of having a long and strong career.
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Mate.. that was brilliant 👍
 
AndyLucimitis said:
Thanks - Great interview and great kid. Really interesting some of the stuff Gerard was saying how other recruiters really rated him.
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Gerard saying that he was seen as a smoky, but those in the know were filthy on SOS for trading down to access him...they rated him very highly.
 

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Interestingly Champion Data Ranking points (which are rubbish unless they support my argument) have Philp as the 5th best midfielder (126 ranking points) in the NAB cup behind Rowell, Anderson, Green and Martyn a guy the Tigers recruited in the 40s. Ramsay was up there on 120 points

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jackn said:
In many, many years of reading that name, I always saw medium sizered. How on earth did I never notice it was 3 words.
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It has tormented many a poster for a very long time..........msr should be sanctioned for mressing with our minds...........
 
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windows1 said:
Here you go The Bighouse

A Tale of Two Philpy’s

Ok so this is one of the more intriguing prospects I think I’ve ever seen. His first five games this year were really average. He did nothing that said AFL player. Literally nothing. It is not at all surprising to me that he didn’t get picked for Vic Metro now. He just got he ball and dishes off quickly. Created nothing. Didn’t show his pace. Nothing. Played on Green a bit in Round 4 and it was a man against a boy.

His round 7 game was the turning point of his year, maybe life. For the change made him draftable. Clearly he had a big chat/reflection/something. Or he was carrying an injury before that. Either way he was a new player. He started using his pace. He went forward, led out, took chest marks and was dangerous.

I don’t see his year as a ‘constant rate of progress’. I see it as a ‘stepwise change’ from round 7 on. Then maybe slight improvements thereafter.

So a summary of what I saw from round 7 to the end of the year....

He clearly thinks a lot about his game. First piece of evidence for that is when he has the chance to get space he REALLY focuses on straightening up before kicking. That makes his passing really reliable up to 40-45m. The second piece of evidence is that I think from that round 7 game he started to hold on to the ball and drive into space with his pace. And the third is he started hitting ground balls on the move- to over come his weaknesses and maximise the benefits of his speed. The quality of thinking about his game is wonderful and makes me think he will really thrive in an environment where he can get access to footage and coaching at an elite level.

So his kicking is good. Like don’t worry about it at all. You’ll have no Paddy Dow wtf moments. He won’t slice up play with it. But he’s AFl standard kicking. His left foot is probably ‘in case of emergency’ only, and I wouldn’t call him dual sided. His hands are good. Not amazing. You may see him make the occasional fumble but in my judgment it is a result of his ball collection strategy: he tries to take the ball on the move. I think he does that because he’s not physically strong, and so to avoid being tackled too often he hits the ball on the move instead of waiting for it. Frankly I applaud the strategy. I’d rather see him make a fumble error every couple of games than get tackled 6 times a game.

He is really dangerous forward. Transitioning forward mainly. He bursts into space onto loose balls, balances and kicks goals with composure. Everyone has cited his ability to burst from packs. It’s very Dow like. He’s just more composed after he hits space than Paddy.

As I’ve alluded to he is not strong. I was a bit surprised by that given he’s 185 and 80. He doesn’t look 80. In particular he needs a lot of core strength work. He collapses a bit too much when tackled. Not Fish or LOb bad but not ideal. The lack of strength dramatically reduces his burst impact. He loses a bit of momentum being bumped and slowed down a fair bit due to being more easily tackled. It is.l in this area where he doesn’t match Dow- Dow stands up brilliantly in tackles. If he can fix this it will generate another stepwise effect in his game. His strength also makes him run defensively out of stoppages more than I’d like (although it’s better than him doing what he did in the first few games of the year- just ‘give off’). If he was stronger he’d go harder through the front of packs more. Back himself more.

A second major area of improvement is footy nous. He is like the opposite of Walsh. He doesn’t get involved in link up play. He ball watches a bit and does automatically move into “how can I get back involved” mode. Unclear whether these are a result of Knights game style issues, his role, or perhaps conditioning. This I think is why his disposals are not as high as you’d like.

Another improvement area for him is his creativity. By hand and foot he is very safe. I want to see him tuck the ball under his arm and crash forward over and over with his pace. Continue to attack with his legs.

If you want to see what he can do go watch the last play of around 10 on the NaB League app. Bursts onto the ball. Picks it up at his feet. Uses his pace to create space. Hits a target on his left. He clearly worked hard on his game through the year. Really impressive.

In any event- I love his weaknesses. For a kid with his attitude I really expect him to improve them dramatically. I now think he’s a high chance of having a long and strong career.
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Given the good reports on Sam I thought it was worthwhile revisiting the early impressions starting with windows excellent write up above. Worth a read if you havent already. His determination to improve himself reminds me of the early reports of Sam Walsh...

Then there was the article on the Blues website in November
www.carltonfc.com.au

He's just a legend: Philp's persistence pays off

This is the story of Sam Philp, as told by someone who knows his football story more than most.
www.carltonfc.com.au www.carltonfc.com.au

Finally there was a great interview by Gerard heally in the podcast of 28 november starts at 2.0 min mark
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